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Posted by Lian Dao on 6/19/2009, 3:47 pm, in reply to "Re: TTC 16"
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: Nature is simply decay and death. i would go
: so far as to suggest that (I) am not nature
: but rather that which animates and is able
: to be aware, to whatever degree, of the
: natural processes that arise and then fall
: away.
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: Identifying with the phenomena, whether you
: deem it internal or external to your sense
: of me-ness, merely means to cultivate a
: working knowledge of these natural
: processess that lend us a discursive notion
: of an intellectual, emotional or spiritual
: appreciation of the phenomena as it occurs
: both spatially and temporary.
:
: Whether or not one 'cultivates' or not is
: irrelevant, if we simply engage in an
: observation of the natural processes as they
: occur. What should rather be focused on is
: that which is focusing. It is a backward
: glance back to the source in the direction
: of the Tao, whose motion is return.
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: "Nature is simply decay and
: death."
:
: Some Buddhist schools maintain that, yes,
: but not all. Some point to a joyous
: cosmology, where nature simultaneously
: creates and destroys. Gives, and takes
: away. In the same moment.
Your 'nature' sounds a bit like Butch's 'god' there old bean. And it isn't buddhism i'm spouting there, it's fact. The ten-thousand 'things' are subject to decay and death simply by the virtue of being born. You can't escape from that. No matter how hard you try.
'Nature' as co-dependently originated material (ie born;created) is subject to these conditions. That it is given form and animated from a source that invariably identifies with ( and is therefore able to be aware of )the process it initiates, would indicate that the uncreate and the unborn source is not subject to the same conditions.
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: Focusing on the 'decay' and 'taking away'
: parts leads, logically, to a desire for
: release. Focusing on the bigger picture can
: lead to underlying contentment in the
: moment, whatever the moment brings.
The only thing we can actually release from is that which we (I) am not. Therein lies contentment. The source/mind/tao is not subject to temporary conditions such as time and decay, and therefore is only 'found' in the 'moment'.
:
: "Whether or not one 'cultivates' or not
: is irrelevant, if we simply engage in an
: observation of the natural processes as they
: occur. What should rather be focused on is
: that which is focusing. It is a backward
: glance back to the source in the direction
: of the Tao, whose notion is return."
:
: Absolutely.
:
: I'd suggest that the whole of wisdom
: consists in the ability to observe, and that
: the ability comes pre-installed in the human
: merchandise.
:
Observation, discursive or otherwise, is a function and indeed comes installed in the psycho-physical complex to filter sensate reality. As with most functions it is there to be utilised. Whether you deem facts as wisdom is a matter of opinion. Or is it?
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-Li Daoqun
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