[ Post a Response | Tao Speaks ]
Posted by Steve on 6/18/2009, 10:44 am, in reply to "An Unforced Error Has Occurred."
68.33.168.X
: Steve and I have a running conversation about
: whether or not anything needs to be done or
: not. Steve argues that nothing needs to be
: done. I argue that something does. To
: cultivate or not to cultivate.
:
: I like to think that most if not all of our
: words and those of others here on this topic
: have for the most part been
: "friendly". For lack of a more
: unitive word.
:
: But still we keep coming back to this
: seemingly fundamental disagreement between
: two seemingly opposite points of view. What
: to do? Perhaps a compromise! Perhaps there
: is a middle way. An underlying unity.
:
: Maybe Steve and I and anyone else that cares
: (josef) and others, ok, and gar too, can
: come to some sort of confluence on the
: matter.
:
: "Wu-wei". The Tao does nothing,
: and yet everything is done. Wu-wei is not
: "inaction" or
: "nonaction". Rather, wu-wei is
: "unforced" action. Natural action.
: Action in accord with the ways of the
: eternal Tao as they are revealed by the
: nature of Nature. Action that is not in
: accord with the watercourse way of the Tao
: is contrived, forced. Action that is in
: accord, is unforced, natural, spontaneous.
:
: I would submit that meditation is that state
: of no-mind where nothing is forced. That it
: is not that anything needs nor does not need
: to be done, rather that whatever is done is
: not forced. With that said I will not try to
: force my point and let others, if they wish,
: chime in. Maybe an old straw dog can learn a
: new trick.
:
: Butcho
-------------------------------
I'd say Nina's "Maybe it's best to let those who feel the need to do something - do something. And let those who don't feel that need - not do anything" is right on target.
The tricky part is doing that--letting people be-- without being judgmental. Recognizing that either way--cultivation or no cultivation--is okay.
You, Butcho, have repeatedly and categorically judged non-cultivators to be out-of-step and unaware. You've admitted to being on a mission to persuade non-cultivators that they're missing out on something fundamentally important to their awareness and well-being.
I agree with rat on this subject. For those for whom cultivation addresses a conscious need--be it a desire for wisdom, more happiness, whatever--cultivation is a good thing.
For those for whom cultivation does not address a conscious need, not cultivating is equally a good thing.
Steve
165
Message Thread:
« Back to thread
"The Tao is basically utterly open. Utter openeness has no substance. It ends in endlessness, begins in beginninglessnes".
-Li Daoqun
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Webmaster: zentao00@yahoo.com Donations help to support, upgrade and expand the Tao Speaks! community..