Tao Speaks: Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred.

Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred.

Posted by gar on 6/18/2009, 7:21 am, in reply to "An Unforced Error Has Occurred."
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--Previous Message--
: Steve and I have a running conversation about
: whether or not anything needs to be done or
: not. Steve argues that nothing needs to be
: done. I argue that something does. To
: cultivate or not to cultivate.
:
: I like to think that most if not all of our
: words and those of others here on this topic
: have for the most part been
: "friendly". For lack of a more
: unitive word.
:
: But still we keep coming back to this
: seemingly fundamental disagreement between
: two seemingly opposite points of view. What
: to do? Perhaps a compromise! Perhaps there
: is a middle way. An underlying unity.
:
: Maybe Steve and I and anyone else that cares
: (josef) and others, ok, and gar too, can
: come to some sort of confluence on the
: matter.
:
: "Wu-wei". The Tao does nothing,
: and yet everything is done. Wu-wei is not
: "inaction" or
: "nonaction". Rather, wu-wei is
: "unforced" action. Natural action.
: Action in accord with the ways of the
: eternal Tao as they are revealed by the
: nature of Nature. Action that is not in
: accord with the watercourse way of the Tao
: is contrived, forced. Action that is in
: accord, is unforced, natural, spontaneous.
:
: I would submit that meditation is that state
: of no-mind where nothing is forced. That it
: is not that anything needs nor does not need
: to be done, rather that whatever is done is
: not forced. With that said I will not try to
: force my point and let others, if they wish,
: chime in. Maybe an old straw dog can learn a
: new trick.
:
Greetings Butcho,

Re; "That it is not that anything needs nor does not need to be done, rather that whatever is done is not forced. With that said I will not try to force my point and let others, if they wish, chime in. Maybe an old straw dog can learn a new trick."

It seems to me that old dogs aren't likely to learn new tricks.

Forced, not forced, all in the realm of Tao.

However, not forced seems to make the journey a smoother ride. Riding the waves is easier on the boat and it might make for longevity with TLC.

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Message Thread:

An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/17/2009, 5:24 pm
- Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - Nina 6/17/2009, 6:59 pm
  - Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - gar 6/17/2009, 7:19 pm
    - An Unforced Smile Has Occurred. - Nina 6/17/2009, 8:06 pm
      - Re: An Unforced Smile Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/17/2009, 9:25 pm
        
        swinging smile - yijing qian dragon on 4th leve 6/18/2009, 1:01 am
        
        Re: swinging smile - Butcho 6/18/2009, 6:45 am
- Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - gar 6/18/2009, 7:21 am
- Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - Steve 6/18/2009, 10:44 am
  - An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Nina 6/18/2009, 11:07 am
    - a recurrent force of nature - Lian Dao 6/18/2009, 3:16 pm
    - Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/18/2009, 3:48 pm
      - TTC 16 - Lian Dao 6/18/2009, 5:06 pm
        
        Re: TTC 16 - gar 6/18/2009, 5:27 pm
        
        reason is treason - Lian Dao 6/19/2009, 4:02 pm
        
        Re: TTC 16 - Nina 6/18/2009, 7:21 pm
        
        subject to conditions - Lian Dao 6/19/2009, 3:55 pm
        
        Re: subject to conditions - Nina 6/19/2009, 6:36 pm
        
        nobody likes a smartarse - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:37 am
        
        Re: TTC 16 - Steve 6/18/2009, 8:45 pm
        
        secret of the flower - Lian Dao 6/19/2009, 3:47 pm
        
        Re: secret of the flower - Steve 6/19/2009, 4:38 pm
        
        Re: secret of the flower - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:46 am
        
        Secret of Happiness - Nina 6/19/2009, 7:09 pm
        
        Re: Secret of Happiness - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:51 am
        
        Re: Secret of Happiness - Nina 6/21/2009, 6:23 pm
        
        Re: Secret of my success - Lian Dao 6/22/2009, 2:43 pm
        
        Re: Secret of my success - Nina 6/22/2009, 7:32 pm
        
        helter skelter - Lian Dao 6/23/2009, 10:24 am
        
        Re: helter skelter - Nina 6/23/2009, 8:16 pm
        
        Re: secret of the flower - ren ying 6/20/2009, 2:12 am
        
        Re: secret of the flower - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:56 am
      - Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Nina 6/18/2009, 7:02 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/18/2009, 8:10 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/18/2009, 9:21 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 8:38 am
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/19/2009, 10:27 am
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 1:32 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/19/2009, 2:34 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 3:12 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/19/2009, 9:16 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 10:03 pm
        
        An Unforced Scream Has Occurred. - Nina 6/19/2009, 6:50 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : Steve and I have a running conversation : about : whether or not anything needs to be done or : not. Steve argues that nothing needs to be : done. I argue that something does. To : cultivate or not to cultivate. : : I like to think that most if not all of our : words and those of others here on this topic : have for the most part been : "friendly". For lack of a more : unitive word. : : But still we keep coming back to this : seemingly fundamental disagreement between : two seemingly opposite points of view. What : to do? Perhaps a compromise! Perhaps there : is a middle way. An underlying unity. : : Maybe Steve and I and anyone else that cares : (josef) and others, ok, and gar too, can : come to some sort of confluence on the : matter. : : "Wu-wei". The Tao does nothing, : and yet everything is done. Wu-wei is not : "inaction" or : "nonaction". Rather, wu-wei is : "unforced" action. Natural action. : Action in accord with the ways of the : eternal Tao as they are revealed by the : nature of Nature. Action that is not in : accord with the watercourse way of the Tao : is contrived, forced. Action that is in : accord, is unforced, natural, spontaneous. : : I would submit that meditation is that state : of no-mind where nothing is forced. That it : is not that anything needs nor does not need : to be done, rather that whatever is done is : not forced. With that said I will not try to : force my point and let others, if they wish, : chime in. Maybe an old straw dog can learn a : new trick. : : Greetings Butcho, : : Re; "That it is not that anything needs : nor does not need to be done, rather that : whatever is done is not forced. With that : said I will not try to force my point and : let others, if they wish, chime in. Maybe an : old straw dog can learn a new trick." : : It seems to me that old dogs aren't likely : to learn new tricks. : : Forced, not forced, all in the realm of Tao. : : However, not forced seems to make the : journey a smoother ride. Riding the waves is : easier on the boat and it might make for : longevity with TLC. : : : : :

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