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Posted by gar on 6/17/2009, 7:19 pm, in reply to "Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred."
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: Steve and I have a running conversation
: about
: whether or not anything needs to be done or
: not. Steve argues that nothing needs to be
: done. I argue that something does. To
: cultivate or not to cultivate.
:
: I like to think that most if not all of our
: words and those of others here on this topic
: have for the most part been
: "friendly". For lack of a more
: unitive word.
:
: But still we keep coming back to this
: seemingly fundamental disagreement between
: two seemingly opposite points of view. What
: to do? Perhaps a compromise! Perhaps there
: is a middle way. An underlying unity.
:
: Maybe Steve and I and anyone else that cares
: (josef) and others, ok, and gar too, can
: come to some sort of confluence on the
: matter.
:
: "Wu-wei". The Tao does nothing,
: and yet everything is done. Wu-wei is not
: "inaction" or
: "nonaction". Rather, wu-wei is
: "unforced" action. Natural action.
: Action in accord with the ways of the
: eternal Tao as they are revealed by the
: nature of Nature. Action that is not in
: accord with the watercourse way of the Tao
: is contrived, forced. Action that is in
: accord, is unforced, natural, spontaneous.
:
: I would submit that meditation is that state
: of no-mind where nothing is forced. That it
: is not that anything needs nor does not need
: to be done, rather that whatever is done is
: not forced. With that said I will not try to
: force my point and let others, if they wish,
: chime in. Maybe an old straw dog can learn a
: new trick.
:
: Butcho
:
:
:
: Are you asking for opinions, Butch? I've
: got one..... or two.
:
: I think everyone is cultivating. They just
: may not be cultivating the same things you
: are. Like in Gar's little story......
: people choose what they want to cultivate?
:
: Just because someone meditates - and gets to
: a state of an empty mind - doesn't mean
: they'll get anywhere near what you deem to
: be the "proper" result they should
: have. I've known people who meditated a
: LOT, and were just as ####ed up as someone
: who didn't.
:
: And...... just because someone doesn't
: meditate, that doesn't mean they aren't
: cultivating themselves to a delightful
: experience in this life.
:
: Maybe it's best to let those who feel the
: need to do something - do something. And
: let those who don't feel that need - not do
: anything.
:
: But if that happened........
: Maybe you folks here wouldn't have so much
: fun jumping on each other? :-)
:
: My wei or the highwei?
: Wu wei your wei?
:
: I've still got a wei to go, but I'm finding
: more smiles along the wei now. Hope you are
: too.
:
:
: Thanks Nina, I'm going to bed tonight with a smile that came from your words.
in peace,
gar
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