Tao Speaks: Rabbit Stew

Rabbit Stew

Posted by Butcho on 4/22/2009, 9:34 pm, in reply to "there is no exit from this hell"
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--Previous Message--
:
: "Nothing to do, nothing to obtain, and
: depending upon nothing, the self will
: manifest."
:
: ***
:
: I understand the whole megillah to suggest
: that 'the self will manifest' is not to be
: understood as something one achieves through
: effort. That the natural or uncontrived
: person is emptied of the desire to do or
: achieve anything even vaguely stinking of
: spirituality.
:
: This 'emptiness' either comes or it does
: not. One cannot make it come. And whether
: it comes or not matters only to the seeker's
: Big Bad Rotten and Clarity-Obscuring Ego.
:
: Cultivators believe there is something,
: spiritually-speaking, that can and should be
: accomplished through effort.
:
: (Except rat, who cultivates only because it
: makes him happy.)
:
:
Steve,

It makes me happy that rat cultivates. And, oddly enough, it also makes me happy that you don't. I mean really, if you were a cultivator there would be no reason to cultivate so I am happy you don't.

I think White Rabbit has been eating too many carrots and not enough pudding. Definitely wants his/her cake and eat it too. I have never done that. But I have eaten rabbit. A chocolate one.

White Rabbit is an extremist. As are you. Better to be like me and rest upon the underlying unity of existence. Better to be a middle-man. No-Mind indeed. Empty indeed. Prattle. Not empty in the relative sense but in the emptiness that is empty even of empty and full.

Mind cannot cultivate no-mind. All the conditioned mind can do is get out of the way. No-Mind does not need anything. Let alone cultivation. One cultivates to realize one does not need to cultivate. Enlightenment is neither sudden nor gradual, it is timeless.

The biggest problem with words is we use too many of them when a simple ugh or a holy crap might very well do. The more words we use, the longer our list gets, the easier it is to contradict ourselves. If nothing else then at least we seem to contradict ourselves to others. The sage is not long-winded.

Ugh,

Butcho

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Message Thread:

For anyone who accidentally fell into this rabbit hole: - white rabbit 4/22/2009, 4:29 pm
- Re: For anyone who accidentally fell into this rabbit hole: continued - white rabbit 4/22/2009, 4:32 pm
  - there is no exit from this hell - Steve 4/22/2009, 6:18 pm
    - Rabbit Stew - Butcho 4/22/2009, 9:34 pm
      - mind the gap, ladies and gentlemen - Steve 4/23/2009, 8:38 am
        
        Re: mind the gap, ladies and gentlemen - Butcho 4/23/2009, 4:53 pm
- bu - ren ying 4/23/2009, 1:56 pm
- Re: For anyone who accidentally fell into this rabbit hole: - ren ying 4/23/2009, 2:10 pm
  - Re: For anyone who accidentally fell into this rabbit hole: - Butcho 4/24/2009, 9:19 am
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : "Nothing to do, nothing to obtain, and : depending upon nothing, the self will : manifest." : : *** : : I understand the whole megillah to suggest : that 'the self will manifest' is not to be : understood as something one achieves through : effort. That the natural or uncontrived : person is emptied of the desire to do or : achieve anything even vaguely stinking of : spirituality. : : This 'emptiness' either comes or it does : not. One cannot make it come. And whether : it comes or not matters only to the seeker's : Big Bad Rotten and Clarity-Obscuring Ego. : : Cultivators believe there is something, : spiritually-speaking, that can and should be : accomplished through effort. : : (Except rat, who cultivates only because it : makes him happy.) : : : Steve, : : It makes me happy that rat cultivates. And, : oddly enough, it also makes me happy that : you don't. I mean really, if you were a : cultivator there would be no reason to : cultivate so I am happy you don't. : : I think White Rabbit has been eating too : many carrots and not enough pudding. : Definitely wants his/her cake and eat it : too. I have never done that. But I have : eaten rabbit. A chocolate one. : : White Rabbit is an extremist. As are you. : Better to be like me and rest upon the : underlying unity of existence. Better to be : a middle-man. No-Mind indeed. Empty indeed. : Prattle. Not empty in the relative sense but : in the emptiness that is empty even of empty : and full. : : Mind cannot cultivate no-mind. All the : conditioned mind can do is get out of the : way. No-Mind does not need anything. Let : alone cultivation. One cultivates to realize : one does not need to cultivate. : Enlightenment is neither sudden nor gradual, : it is timeless. : : The biggest problem with words is we use too : many of them when a simple ugh or a holy : crap might very well do. The more words we : use, the longer our list gets, the easier it : is to contradict ourselves. If nothing else : then at least we seem to contradict : ourselves to others. The sage is not : long-winded. : : Ugh, : : Butcho :

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