Tao Speaks: Re: "Faith in the Heart".

Re: "Faith in the Heart".

Posted by Butcho on 4/20/2009, 4:39 pm, in reply to "Re: "Faith in the Heart"."
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--Previous Message--
: At the risk of coming across as a
: psychoanalyst and (worse) a snob, allow me
: to suggest that you simply don't get it,
: Butcho, when it comes to the view you
: characterize as 'Everything is Perfect.'
:
: As a theist with mystical insights, you
: struggle to reconcile the competing impulses
: of obedience and freedom. You want to honor
: and pay homage to a 'greater force' (what
: you call 'The Creator') while at the same
: time you sense a unitive oneness in all that
: there is.
:
: I don't envy the path of the Christian
: Mystic. It's a hard and rocky road to
: navigate.
:
: "And as such some argue that since
: this is the case that there is nothing that
: needs to be done for everything is perfect
: as it is for nothing is separate. Yes and
: no."
:
: Yes and no, indeed. And that's the part I
: think you don't get. Or don't feel.
:
: Everything is indeed perfect as is. Even my
: longings are perfect. Even my confusion is
: perfect. Even my not-knowing is perfect.
:
: I cannot escape the perfection. I cannot be
: outside of the perfection.
:
: Some are able to juggle the two competing
: views. To keep them up in the air at the
: same time.
:
: The view that holds that all manner of thing
: is well. That there is nothing fundamental
: or essential 'to do.' And the view that
: holds that there are things to do. Places
: to be where we are not.
:
: And here's the best part: Even this sense
: of mine of a 'juggle'--however artificial a
: construct it may be--is perfect.
:
: I cannot escape the perfection.
:
:
Hey Stevo,

You are a perfect putz.

Where you are wrong is where you insist that you are right.

I have never said that I know exactly what ultimate reality is. You are the one that likes to think you have the inside scoop on the ultimate, not me. All I preach is unity, you are the one that preaches certainty.

And another thing, no one is completely immune from the influence of their cultural milieu. From their social context. Have a little compassion Stevo. In the name of unity have a heart.

My system is better than yours if for no other reason than it is less perfect. Moderation in all things, including moderation. Your perfection is overperfected.

Butcho

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Message Thread:

"Faith in the Heart". - Butcho 4/18/2009, 10:51 am
- Re: "Faith in the Heart". - Butcho 4/20/2009, 7:55 am
  - Re: "Faith in the Heart". - Steve 4/20/2009, 12:21 pm
    - I can't escape the imperfection - rat 4/20/2009, 12:55 pm
      - Re: I can't escape the imperfection - Steve 4/20/2009, 1:07 pm
        
        Re: I can't escape the imperfection - Butcho 4/20/2009, 5:11 pm
      - a rat gets froggy - Butcho 4/20/2009, 5:19 pm
    - Re: "Faith in the Heart". - Butcho 4/20/2009, 4:39 pm
      - Re: "Faith in the Heart". - Steve 4/20/2009, 5:02 pm
        
        Duct Tape and other Unitive Things. - Butcho 4/20/2009, 8:00 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : At the risk of coming across as a : psychoanalyst and (worse) a snob, allow me : to suggest that you simply don't get it, : Butcho, when it comes to the view you : characterize as 'Everything is Perfect.' : : As a theist with mystical insights, you : struggle to reconcile the competing impulses : of obedience and freedom. You want to honor : and pay homage to a 'greater force' (what : you call 'The Creator') while at the same : time you sense a unitive oneness in all that : there is. : : I don't envy the path of the Christian : Mystic. It's a hard and rocky road to : navigate. : : "And as such some argue that since : this is the case that there is nothing that : needs to be done for everything is perfect : as it is for nothing is separate. Yes and : no." : : Yes and no, indeed. And that's the part I : think you don't get. Or don't feel. : : Everything is indeed perfect as is. Even my : longings are perfect. Even my confusion is : perfect. Even my not-knowing is perfect. : : I cannot escape the perfection. I cannot be : outside of the perfection. : : Some are able to juggle the two competing : views. To keep them up in the air at the : same time. : : The view that holds that all manner of thing : is well. That there is nothing fundamental : or essential 'to do.' And the view that : holds that there are things to do. Places : to be where we are not. : : And here's the best part: Even this sense : of mine of a 'juggle'--however artificial a : construct it may be--is perfect. : : I cannot escape the perfection. : : : Hey Stevo, : : You are a perfect putz. : : Where you are wrong is where you insist that : you are right. : : I have never said that I know exactly what : ultimate reality is. You are the one that : likes to think you have the inside scoop on : the ultimate, not me. All I preach is unity, : you are the one that preaches certainty. : : And another thing, no one is completely : immune from the influence of their cultural : milieu. From their social context. Have a : little compassion Stevo. In the name of : unity have a heart. : : My system is better than yours if for no : other reason than it is less perfect. : Moderation in all things, including : moderation. Your perfection is : overperfected. : : Butcho : : : : : : :

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