Tao Speaks: Re: "Faith in the Heart".

Re: "Faith in the Heart".

Posted by Steve on 4/20/2009, 12:21 pm, in reply to "Re: "Faith in the Heart"."
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At the risk of coming across as a psychoanalyst and (worse) a snob, allow me to suggest that you simply don't get it, Butcho, when it comes to the view you characterize as 'Everything is Perfect.'

As a theist with mystical insights, you struggle to reconcile the competing impulses of obedience and freedom. You want to honor and pay homage to a 'greater force' (what you call 'The Creator') while at the same time you sense a unitive oneness in all that there is.

I don't envy the path of the Christian Mystic. It's a hard and rocky road to navigate.

"And as such some argue that since this is the case that there is nothing that needs to be done for everything is perfect as it is for nothing is separate. Yes and no."

Yes and no, indeed. And that's the part I think you don't get. Or don't feel.

Everything is indeed perfect as is. Even my longings are perfect. Even my confusion is perfect. Even my not-knowing is perfect.

I cannot escape the perfection. I cannot be outside of the perfection.

Some are able to juggle the two competing views. To keep them up in the air at the same time.

The view that holds that all manner of thing is well. That there is nothing fundamental or essential 'to do.' And the view that holds that there are things to do. Places to be where we are not.

And here's the best part: Even this sense of mine of a 'juggle'--however artificial a construct it may be--is perfect.

I cannot escape the perfection.

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Message Thread:

"Faith in the Heart". - Butcho 4/18/2009, 10:51 am
- Re: "Faith in the Heart". - Butcho 4/20/2009, 7:55 am
  - Re: "Faith in the Heart". - Steve 4/20/2009, 12:21 pm
    - I can't escape the imperfection - rat 4/20/2009, 12:55 pm
      - Re: I can't escape the imperfection - Steve 4/20/2009, 1:07 pm
        
        Re: I can't escape the imperfection - Butcho 4/20/2009, 5:11 pm
      - a rat gets froggy - Butcho 4/20/2009, 5:19 pm
    - Re: "Faith in the Heart". - Butcho 4/20/2009, 4:39 pm
      - Re: "Faith in the Heart". - Steve 4/20/2009, 5:02 pm
        
        Duct Tape and other Unitive Things. - Butcho 4/20/2009, 8:00 pm
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--Previous Message-- : At the risk of coming across as a : psychoanalyst and (worse) a snob, allow me : to suggest that you simply don't get it, : Butcho, when it comes to the view you : characterize as 'Everything is Perfect.' : : As a theist with mystical insights, you : struggle to reconcile the competing impulses : of obedience and freedom. You want to honor : and pay homage to a 'greater force' (what : you call 'The Creator') while at the same : time you sense a unitive oneness in all that : there is. : : I don't envy the path of the Christian : Mystic. It's a hard and rocky road to : navigate. : : "And as such some argue that since : this is the case that there is nothing that : needs to be done for everything is perfect : as it is for nothing is separate. Yes and : no." : : Yes and no, indeed. And that's the part I : think you don't get. Or don't feel. : : Everything is indeed perfect as is. Even my : longings are perfect. Even my confusion is : perfect. Even my not-knowing is perfect. : : I cannot escape the perfection. I cannot be : outside of the perfection. : : Some are able to juggle the two competing : views. To keep them up in the air at the : same time. : : The view that holds that all manner of thing : is well. That there is nothing fundamental : or essential 'to do.' And the view that : holds that there are things to do. Places : to be where we are not. : : And here's the best part: Even this sense : of mine of a 'juggle'--however artificial a : construct it may be--is perfect. : : I cannot escape the perfection. : : : :

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