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Posted by Butcho
on 4/11/2009, 9:29 am, in reply to "Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced."
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: Butcho
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: Butcho, words are symbols, we agree.
: Mistaking the concept symbolized for the
: reality is common and is illusion, I think
: we agree. Living in the thought/concept
: world is "sleepwalking", and
: seeing through this and experiencing reality
: directly is awakening, we agree.
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: All that you've written above I am in
: harmony and agreement with. Well said all.
: Until:
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: We are not alone. We are all-one. The game
: being played by existence is not Solitaire.
: It is a game of Hearts. Or in Christian
: vernacular the Kingdom of God is not a
: person, it is a family.
:
: Here you introduce something more than
: "from the first all is a unitive
: one". It seems you've added a
: reification association that leads away from
: simple unity to that mistaking the map for
: the territory thing. Unless I'm
: misunderstanding your words, which is
: possible. The "we" who are family
: are humans you're referring to, yes? The
: inference seems to put humans in a
: non-inclusive category, separated, not
: unitive one. Hearts adds a dimension of
: emotion. The Kingdom of God as a family.
: Humans, right? All this addition seems to me
: to veer away from the unitive one of all
: that is, where atoms and quarks and ducks
: and pharoahs are all of an indivisible
: whole: existence.
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: The inclusive "all is unitive one"
: and what seems to me the exclusive elevating
: of humans seems to be the divergence for me.
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: All in the spirit of true discussion,
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: josef
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josef,
You may very well be right. But I may not be wrong as well. Let me explain.
In my opinion there is one fundamental mistake where the nature of reality is concerned. That is all other mistakes take root here. That being that all is a numerical one. Not a synergetic one, not a unitive one, but a numerical one.
In my opinion, monism, is a fatal error where the nature of existence is concerned. For me purist advaita, monisms of every ilk, are a house of mirrors. A myth that distorts reality as it is.
Monism leads to all sorts of solipsistic perspectives. If all is numerically one then I am God. If all is n one then nothing matters. If all is n one then my god is the God. If all is n one then nothing is real. It is all just a play on words.
Such thinking, such solipsistic thinking, is the cause of just about every example of man's inhumanity to man that I can think of. Hooray for me, to bad for you. Thinking all is n one is the ultimate ego trip.
So I draw a distinction between all is numerically one and all is a unitive one. One is an illusion and the other is more in line with the nature of existence. I do not believe we cannot know anything. It is just that I know enough to know that the concepts that we live by, and that is what humans do, matter.
No man is an island, he is a peninsula. What you think matters to me, and what I think matters to you. Whether either of us realize it or not. We are interconnected at every level and at every point. A unitive one.
I hope this brief explanation helps you to understand where I am coming from regarding what I feel is the Number One Myth. If you don't agree or agree at least you now have a better idea of where I am coming from on this point.
Butcho
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"The Tao is basically utterly open. Utter openeness has no substance. It ends in endlessness, begins in beginninglessnes".
-Li Daoqun
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