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Re: It takes faith to let go

Posted by Butcho on 4/9/2009, 8:33 am, in reply to "Re: It takes faith to let go"
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: --Previous Message--
: "it takes faith to let go".
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: I think for me it's not so much faith but a
: willingness to accept the unknown
: consequences.
:
:
: in german we have a word for it:
:
: Urvertrauen...
:
: it is a trust in the world... in things...
: in persons ...that everything will fit
: anyway...
:
: there is no need for a faith
:
: we have it ziran - naturally
: up to that time oneself or somebody destroys
: it
:
: Agree, we have it naturally "up to that
: time oneself or somebody destroys it",
: which is the effect of conditioning, and
: what cultivation and practice are about:
: shedding conditioning. The mind that is
: quiet when thought is not needed rests in
: undifferentiated awareness, like the little
: child's, non-reifying, non-attached,
: non-resisting.
:
: I think the faith Butch refers to is having
: faith that it's possible to return to this
: original state all the while ego is
: resisting letting go its stashes of
: clinging.
:
Friends,

By "Faith" I do not mean anyone has to have the same faith in my God or gods as I do. By Faith I mean that no matter our personal philosophy we rely on something we have "named" to get us through our day. Especially the difficult ones.

For ren ying it is faith in the "swing". For some it is simply faith in existence. For some it is the eternal Tao. Others Allah. Others the Great Spirit in the Sky. Others claim no faith in anything at all. Some have faith in no faith.

We all trust in something. I trust in existence. And for me there is something behind or beyond the One and the Many. Beyond temporal existence. Something eternal. Something Moses called "I AM THAT I AM".

Letting go of our conditioning is what it is all about for me. Being born again. Waking up. Returning to our original self, our original nature.

And for me I find this best done when I let go of words.

Butcho

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"Chop wood, carry water." - Butcho 4/8/2009, 9:20 am
- Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - Wayne L. 4/8/2009, 10:48 am
  - Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - Butcho 4/8/2009, 10:17 pm
    - Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - Wayne L. 4/9/2009, 9:43 am
      - Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - asininity 4/14/2009, 1:41 pm
        
        Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - Wayne L. 4/15/2009, 6:16 pm
        
        Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - asininity 4/17/2009, 1:49 am
        
        Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - Butcho 4/17/2009, 7:32 am
        
        Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - asininity 4/17/2009, 9:29 am
- Dull the senses, Un-focus the mind - gar 4/8/2009, 12:25 pm
  - Re: Dull the senses, Un-focus the mind - Butcho 4/8/2009, 10:55 pm
    - Staying on Track, the Right Track! - Wayne L. 4/10/2009, 11:04 am
  - Re: Dull the senses, Un-focus the mind - Wayne L. 4/10/2009, 11:14 am
- Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - josef 4/8/2009, 1:07 pm
  - Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - Butcho 4/8/2009, 11:01 pm
    - It takes faith to let go - gar 4/9/2009, 4:02 am
      - Re: It takes faith to let go - ren ying 4/9/2009, 6:51 am
        
        Re: It takes faith to let go - josef 4/9/2009, 7:50 am
        
        Re: It takes faith to let go - Butcho 4/9/2009, 8:33 am
        
        Re: It takes faith to let go - josef 4/9/2009, 10:44 am
        
        Re: It takes faith to let go - gar 4/9/2009, 11:42 am
        
        Wu-Wei. Taoist Faith. - Butcho 4/9/2009, 11:14 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei. Taoist Faith. - ren ying 4/10/2009, 12:42 am
        
        Re: Wu-Wei. Taoist Faith. - Butcho 4/10/2009, 8:17 am
        
        destroyer of language - ren ying 4/10/2009, 8:26 am
        
        wu wei - josef 4/10/2009, 9:45 am
        
        Re: wu wei - ren ying 4/10/2009, 11:09 am
        
        Re: wu wei - Wayne L. 4/10/2009, 1:31 pm
        
        Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - Butcho 4/10/2009, 4:36 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - josef 4/10/2009, 6:55 pm
        
        The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - Butcho 4/10/2009, 10:15 pm
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - josef 4/11/2009, 8:01 am
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - Butcho 4/11/2009, 9:29 am
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - josef 4/11/2009, 12:05 pm
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - Butcho 4/11/2009, 9:40 pm
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - josef 4/13/2009, 8:17 am
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - Butcho 4/13/2009, 9:46 am
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - josef 4/13/2009, 10:20 am
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - Wayne L. 4/16/2009, 9:12 am
        
        To experience is to know. - asininity 4/17/2009, 2:21 am
        
        Re: To experience is to know. - Butcho 4/17/2009, 7:04 am
        
        Re: To experience is to know. - asininity 4/17/2009, 12:50 pm
        
        Re: To experience is to know. - Butcho 4/17/2009, 2:13 pm
        
        Re: To experience is to know. - asininity 4/18/2009, 2:57 am
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - ren ying 4/11/2009, 12:36 am
        
        raca - josef 4/11/2009, 7:37 am
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - Butcho 4/11/2009, 9:33 am
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - Wayne L. 4/12/2009, 12:58 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - ren ying 4/13/2009, 2:12 am
        
        zhao hai and qi hai - ren ying 4/13/2009, 5:52 am
        
        Re: zhao hai and qi hai - Butcho 4/13/2009, 9:54 am
        
        Re: zhao hai and qi hai - Wayne L. 4/13/2009, 3:05 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - Wayne L. 4/13/2009, 2:55 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - ren ying 4/14/2009, 1:53 am
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - Butcho 4/14/2009, 9:59 am
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - Wayne L. 4/14/2009, 6:08 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei. Taoist Faith. - Wayne L. 4/10/2009, 12:02 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei. Taoist Faith. - Butcho 4/10/2009, 4:22 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei. Taoist Faith. - Wayne L. 4/10/2009, 8:28 pm
        
        You can get anything you want at Alice's Dictionary! - Butcho 4/10/2009, 3:41 pm
        
        Re: It takes faith to let go - Wayne L. 4/10/2009, 11:33 am
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : "it takes faith to let go". : : I think for me it's not so much faith but a : willingness to accept the unknown : consequences. : : : in german we have a word for it: : : Urvertrauen... : : it is a trust in the world... in things... : in persons ...that everything will fit : anyway... : : there is no need for a faith : : we have it ziran - naturally : up to that time oneself or somebody destroys : it : : Agree, we have it naturally "up to that : time oneself or somebody destroys it", : which is the effect of conditioning, and : what cultivation and practice are about: : shedding conditioning. The mind that is : quiet when thought is not needed rests in : undifferentiated awareness, like the little : child's, non-reifying, non-attached, : non-resisting. : : I think the faith Butch refers to is having : faith that it's possible to return to this : original state all the while ego is : resisting letting go its stashes of : clinging. : : Friends, : : By "Faith" I do not mean anyone : has to have the same faith in my God or gods : as I do. By Faith I mean that no matter our : personal philosophy we rely on something we : have "named" to get us through our : day. Especially the difficult ones. : : For ren ying it is faith in the : "swing". For some it is simply : faith in existence. For some it is the : eternal Tao. Others Allah. Others the Great : Spirit in the Sky. Others claim no faith in : anything at all. Some have faith in no : faith. : : We all trust in something. I trust in : existence. And for me there is something : behind or beyond the One and the Many. : Beyond temporal existence. Something : eternal. Something Moses called "I AM : THAT I AM". : : Letting go of our conditioning is what it is : all about for me. Being born again. Waking : up. Returning to our original self, our : original nature. : : And for me I find this best done when I let : go of words. : : Butcho :

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