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Re: It takes faith to let go

Posted by josef on 4/9/2009, 7:50 am, in reply to "Re: It takes faith to let go"
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--Previous Message--
: "it takes faith to let go".
:
: I think for me it's not so much faith but a
: willingness to accept the unknown
: consequences.
:
:
: in german we have a word for it:
:
: Urvertrauen...
:
: it is a trust in the world... in things...
: in persons ...that everything will fit
: anyway...
:
: there is no need for a faith
:
: we have it ziran - naturally
: up to that time oneself or somebody destroys
: it

Agree, we have it naturally "up to that time oneself or somebody destroys it", which is the effect of conditioning, and what cultivation and practice are about: shedding conditioning. The mind that is quiet when thought is not needed rests in undifferentiated awareness, like the little child's, non-reifying, non-attached, non-resisting.

I think the faith Butch refers to is having faith that it's possible to return to this original state all the while ego is resisting letting go its stashes of clinging.

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"Chop wood, carry water." - Butcho 4/8/2009, 9:20 am
- Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - Wayne L. 4/8/2009, 10:48 am
  - Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - Butcho 4/8/2009, 10:17 pm
    - Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - Wayne L. 4/9/2009, 9:43 am
      - Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - asininity 4/14/2009, 1:41 pm
        
        Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - Wayne L. 4/15/2009, 6:16 pm
        
        Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - asininity 4/17/2009, 1:49 am
        
        Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - Butcho 4/17/2009, 7:32 am
        
        Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - asininity 4/17/2009, 9:29 am
- Dull the senses, Un-focus the mind - gar 4/8/2009, 12:25 pm
  - Re: Dull the senses, Un-focus the mind - Butcho 4/8/2009, 10:55 pm
    - Staying on Track, the Right Track! - Wayne L. 4/10/2009, 11:04 am
  - Re: Dull the senses, Un-focus the mind - Wayne L. 4/10/2009, 11:14 am
- Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - josef 4/8/2009, 1:07 pm
  - Re: "Chop wood, carry water." - Butcho 4/8/2009, 11:01 pm
    - It takes faith to let go - gar 4/9/2009, 4:02 am
      - Re: It takes faith to let go - ren ying 4/9/2009, 6:51 am
        
        Re: It takes faith to let go - josef 4/9/2009, 7:50 am
        
        Re: It takes faith to let go - Butcho 4/9/2009, 8:33 am
        
        Re: It takes faith to let go - josef 4/9/2009, 10:44 am
        
        Re: It takes faith to let go - gar 4/9/2009, 11:42 am
        
        Wu-Wei. Taoist Faith. - Butcho 4/9/2009, 11:14 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei. Taoist Faith. - ren ying 4/10/2009, 12:42 am
        
        Re: Wu-Wei. Taoist Faith. - Butcho 4/10/2009, 8:17 am
        
        destroyer of language - ren ying 4/10/2009, 8:26 am
        
        wu wei - josef 4/10/2009, 9:45 am
        
        Re: wu wei - ren ying 4/10/2009, 11:09 am
        
        Re: wu wei - Wayne L. 4/10/2009, 1:31 pm
        
        Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - Butcho 4/10/2009, 4:36 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - josef 4/10/2009, 6:55 pm
        
        The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - Butcho 4/10/2009, 10:15 pm
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - josef 4/11/2009, 8:01 am
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - Butcho 4/11/2009, 9:29 am
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - josef 4/11/2009, 12:05 pm
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - Butcho 4/11/2009, 9:40 pm
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - josef 4/13/2009, 8:17 am
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - Butcho 4/13/2009, 9:46 am
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - josef 4/13/2009, 10:20 am
        
        Re: The Mystery of mysteries cannot be known, but it can be experienced. - Wayne L. 4/16/2009, 9:12 am
        
        To experience is to know. - asininity 4/17/2009, 2:21 am
        
        Re: To experience is to know. - Butcho 4/17/2009, 7:04 am
        
        Re: To experience is to know. - asininity 4/17/2009, 12:50 pm
        
        Re: To experience is to know. - Butcho 4/17/2009, 2:13 pm
        
        Re: To experience is to know. - asininity 4/18/2009, 2:57 am
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - ren ying 4/11/2009, 12:36 am
        
        raca - josef 4/11/2009, 7:37 am
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - Butcho 4/11/2009, 9:33 am
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - Wayne L. 4/12/2009, 12:58 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - ren ying 4/13/2009, 2:12 am
        
        zhao hai and qi hai - ren ying 4/13/2009, 5:52 am
        
        Re: zhao hai and qi hai - Butcho 4/13/2009, 9:54 am
        
        Re: zhao hai and qi hai - Wayne L. 4/13/2009, 3:05 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - Wayne L. 4/13/2009, 2:55 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - ren ying 4/14/2009, 1:53 am
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - Butcho 4/14/2009, 9:59 am
        
        Re: Wu-Wei or the Highway Map. - Wayne L. 4/14/2009, 6:08 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei. Taoist Faith. - Wayne L. 4/10/2009, 12:02 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei. Taoist Faith. - Butcho 4/10/2009, 4:22 pm
        
        Re: Wu-Wei. Taoist Faith. - Wayne L. 4/10/2009, 8:28 pm
        
        You can get anything you want at Alice's Dictionary! - Butcho 4/10/2009, 3:41 pm
        
        Re: It takes faith to let go - Wayne L. 4/10/2009, 11:33 am
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : "it takes faith to let go". : : I think for me it's not so much faith but a : willingness to accept the unknown : consequences. : : : in german we have a word for it: : : Urvertrauen... : : it is a trust in the world... in things... : in persons ...that everything will fit : anyway... : : there is no need for a faith : : we have it ziran - naturally : up to that time oneself or somebody destroys : it : : Agree, we have it naturally "up to that : time oneself or somebody destroys it", : which is the effect of conditioning, and : what cultivation and practice are about: : shedding conditioning. The mind that is : quiet when thought is not needed rests in : undifferentiated awareness, like the little : child's, non-reifying, non-attached, : non-resisting. : : I think the faith Butch refers to is having : faith that it's possible to return to this : original state all the while ego is : resisting letting go its stashes of : clinging. :

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