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Posted by Butcho
on 4/3/2009, 3:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Tinted Reality"
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: Going round in circles here Popeye, we're
: closer to agreement than we are a fight but
: it appears you're cultivating has bought you
: your ego and you're welcome to it. Your
: words aint just so many words, you'd kill
: rain forests trying to make yourself/ego
: heard were it written on paper.
:
: I have read nothing of enlightenment and
: very little of daoism, but it would seem you
: have read too much some what an obsession
: for you - very unhealthy. I do not wish
: enlightenment; it is useless. I am aware of
: my tinted perspective, are you?
:
: I'll know enlightenment when I can look at
: the moon as if for the first time, every
: time I look at it.
:
: I wonder what water would do without gravity
: to control it?
:
: If something were unnatural how could is be
: done? Dao surely is in everything.
:
: Your experience is not my experience, both
: are valid; how ever much you wish yours to
: speak for everyone.
:
: Keep screaming into the night "I AM
: THAT I AM" Popeye.
:
:
:
assinity,
The fundamental is the unitive oneness of existence. You can agree or not agree. But it does not really matter for the fundamental isn't a thing that can be reached through reason anyway. Reason cannot go beyond reason. But once a person has seen beyond reason then things are more reasonable than ever before.
"From the first totality is a unitive one." Hui-Neng.
"The Father and I are a unitive one." Jesus.
"From the Tao comes the One and the Many". Lao Tzu.
Same thing.
But, until a person realizes that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts then one is stuck in the One and not awake to the whole. The ego is such a thing. Enamored with the One. Monotheism. Monism. Meism. Solipsism. All the same. Each a rationalization of that which is beyond rationalization. The nature of the whole.
There is more than one of us, but less than two.
The ego cannot understand this truth. Or at least does not want to understand this truth for the ego thinks only of the One, not of the Whole.
There is no other fundamental where the underlying nature of existence is concerned. All other aspects of the nature of the eternal Tao are manifestations of the underlying unity of existence. Yin/yang. Opposite non-opposites. One end of a whole string appears to be separate from the other but is in fact not. And so it is with everything.
Thoughts are not things.
Butcho
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-Li Daoqun
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