Tao Speaks: Re: season of confusion- As we joyfully beat the dead horse even into the New Year!

Re: season of confusion- As we joyfully beat the dead horse even into the New Year!

Posted by rat on 12/28/2008, 7:59 am, in reply to "Re: season of confusion"
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--Previous Message--
:
: Yes, you can't screw up from the dao
: perspective, and the more often that is
: realized (some of us are not as perfect as
: Rene who apparently realizes it and is fully
: aware of it all the time) the better we
: subjectively feel.
:
: -----------------------
:
: I'm not recalling Rene ever having suggested
: that she was "fully aware of it all the
: time," rat. Maybe I'm forgetting, or
: maybe she said such a thing and I missed it.
:
: 'Bliss Intoxication' doesn't appeal to me,
: and I'm guessing it doesn't appeal to Rene
: either. I think that when most people refer
: to 'enlightenment' or 'the enlightened,'
: they're thinking of Bliss Intoxication.
:
: People like to imagine that the Dalai Lama,
: for example, never experiences anger,
: sadness, or regrets.
:
: Sort of like 'Jesus Didn't have a Penis,'
: but for Eastern thinkers. lol.
:
: Steve
:
:
:
Hi Steve

The main thing Rene claims about the message of Laozi is that there is nothing to do, you are already perfectly in tune with the dao. This is your claim as well, as I understand it.

Those of us who suspect there is something to do in Laozi, do it just as we take a shower to feel better after being on a sandy beach. We don't claim to be any better normatively, by having taken a shower. We don't claim we are fundamentally better by being free from sand. Do you see any difference? When we do it (wei wu wei) we seem to feel better. No more than that.

love,
rat

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Message Thread:

Rising and Falling: a continuation - Bao Pu 12/22/2008, 5:17 am
- Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - gar 12/22/2008, 6:34 am
  - Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - rat 12/22/2008, 7:10 am
    - Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - gar 12/22/2008, 7:42 am
      - Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - rat 12/22/2008, 8:01 am
        
        Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - gar 12/22/2008, 8:12 am
        
        Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - rat 12/22/2008, 8:48 am
        
        It takes more than one to tango. - Shumard Oak 12/22/2008, 8:49 am
  - Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Bao Pu 12/22/2008, 2:23 pm
    - Looking for the mother of desires - gar 12/23/2008, 5:30 am
      - Re: Looking for the mother of desires - Bao Pu 12/23/2008, 12:28 pm
        
        'I' vs 'we' - gar 12/24/2008, 5:35 am
- Breathe in, breathe out, and please continue. - Shumard Oak 12/22/2008, 8:40 am
- Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Steve 12/22/2008, 9:02 am
  - Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - gar 12/22/2008, 9:10 am
    - Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Steve 12/22/2008, 2:21 pm
  - Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - rat 12/22/2008, 9:10 am
    - Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Steve 12/22/2008, 2:01 pm
      - non-volitional volition - Lian Dao 12/22/2008, 2:03 pm
        
        Re: non-volitional volition - Steve 12/22/2008, 2:35 pm
        
        Re: non-volitional volition - Lian Dao 12/22/2008, 2:41 pm
        
        Re: non-volitional volition - Steve 12/22/2008, 4:17 pm
        
        Re: non-volitional volition - rat 12/22/2008, 7:52 pm
        
        Re: non-volitional volition - Steve 12/23/2008, 8:50 am
        
        season of joy - rat 12/23/2008, 9:05 am
        
        Re: season of joy - Bao Pu 12/23/2008, 12:18 pm
        
        Re: season of joy - rat 12/23/2008, 12:24 pm
        
        Re: season of confusion - Bao Pu 12/23/2008, 12:30 pm
        
        Re: season of confusion - rat 12/23/2008, 8:40 pm
        
        Re: season of confusion - Steve 12/27/2008, 3:07 pm
        
        Re: season of confusion - gar 12/27/2008, 4:14 pm
        
        Some of us do things so that we can realize how to do nothing more often. - rat 12/27/2008, 4:56 pm
        
        Re: season of confusion - Steve 12/27/2008, 4:56 pm
        
        Re: season of confusion - rat 12/27/2008, 5:04 pm
        
        Re: season of confusion - Steve 12/27/2008, 6:32 pm
        
        Re: season of confusion - rat 12/27/2008, 7:41 pm
        
        Re: season of confusion - Steve 12/27/2008, 9:53 pm
        
        Re: season of confusion- As we joyfully beat the dead horse even into the New Year! - rat 12/28/2008, 7:59 am
        
        dead horses and iPods - Steve 12/28/2008, 9:26 am
        
        Rene and Laoist Temple are "back on the air" - rat 12/28/2008, 12:23 pm
        
        cultivators and non-cultivators have their own special hells - Lian Dao 12/29/2008, 10:27 am
        
        Re: cultivators and non-cultivators have their own special hells - Steve 12/29/2008, 4:57 pm
        
        subject to conditions - Lian Dao 12/30/2008, 11:46 am
        
        Re: subject to conditions - Steve 12/30/2008, 12:47 pm
        
        non-self defence - Lian Dao 12/31/2008, 2:55 pm
        
        Re: non-self defence - Steve 1/1/2009, 9:18 am
        
        Re: non-self defence - Lian Dao 1/1/2009, 2:49 pm
        
        Re: dead horses and iPods & provocative - rat 12/29/2008, 3:08 pm
        
        Re: dead horses and iPods & provocative - Steve 12/29/2008, 5:33 pm
        
        objective enlightenment - gar 12/28/2008, 5:35 am
        
        brainwaves - gar 12/28/2008, 6:05 am
        
        Re: brainwaves - rat 12/28/2008, 8:07 am
        
        Re: objective enlightenment - rat 12/28/2008, 8:05 am
        
        Re: objective enlightenment - gar 12/28/2008, 10:27 am
        
        Re: objective enlightenment - rat 12/28/2008, 12:25 pm
        
        Re: objective enlightenment - gar 12/28/2008, 12:57 pm
        
        subjective enlightenment - Lian Dao 12/29/2008, 10:22 am
        
        Re: season of joy - Shumard Oak 12/24/2008, 6:42 am
        
        Merry Christmas to you as well! - rat 12/24/2008, 8:29 am
        
        What's occuring? - Lian Dao 12/23/2008, 10:23 am
        
        Re: What's occuring? - Steve 12/23/2008, 11:12 am
        
        Re: What's occuring? - Lian Dao 12/23/2008, 11:18 am
  - Will/intention - josef 12/22/2008, 9:54 am
    - Re: Will/intention - Steve 12/22/2008, 4:04 pm
      - questions - josef 12/22/2008, 6:25 pm
        
        Re: questions - Steve 12/22/2008, 6:56 pm
  - Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Bao Pu 12/22/2008, 2:32 pm
    - Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Steve 12/22/2008, 5:57 pm
      - Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Bao Pu 12/22/2008, 6:59 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : Yes, you can't screw up from the dao : perspective, and the more often that is : realized (some of us are not as perfect as : Rene who apparently realizes it and is fully : aware of it all the time) the better we : subjectively feel. : : ----------------------- : : I'm not recalling Rene ever having suggested : that she was "fully aware of it all the : time," rat. Maybe I'm forgetting, or : maybe she said such a thing and I missed it. : : 'Bliss Intoxication' doesn't appeal to me, : and I'm guessing it doesn't appeal to Rene : either. I think that when most people refer : to 'enlightenment' or 'the enlightened,' : they're thinking of Bliss Intoxication. : : People like to imagine that the Dalai Lama, : for example, never experiences anger, : sadness, or regrets. : : Sort of like 'Jesus Didn't have a Penis,' : but for Eastern thinkers. lol. : : Steve : : : : Hi Steve : : The main thing Rene claims about the : message of Laozi is that there is nothing to : do, you are already perfectly in tune with : the dao. This is your claim as well, as I : understand it. : : Those of us who suspect there is : something to do in Laozi, do it just as we : take a shower to feel better after being on : a sandy beach. We don't claim to be any : better normatively, by having taken a : shower. We don't claim we are fundamentally : better by being free from sand. Do you see : any difference? When we do it (wei wu wei) : we seem to feel better. No more than that. : : love, : rat :

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