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Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation

Posted by rat on 12/22/2008, 8:48 am, in reply to "Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation"
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : Hi gar : : Are you assuming someone can be in perfect : harmony? How would you define this harmony? : : love, : rat : : : Greetings rat, : : gar has never known anyone that is in : perfect harmony. Maybe only the delusional : or insane, or even the lobotomized might : achieve the mental balance of perfect : harmony. : : Perfect harmony = zero resistance to : resonance??? : : in peace, : gar : : : Okay gar. I guess no one reaches a perfect : zero? You said: : : This 'effort' that you alluded to, imo, is : the behavior that emanates from a self : generated desire. : : If one finds him/herself in perfect harmony, : no such desire would arise. If you aren't : afflicted with doubt and sense disharmony, : then there is no desire to do anything other : than to accept, what is. Yes, No? : : So since there is no perfect harmony, I : guess effort is needed to increase happiness : (le)? : : love, : rat : : :Yes! : : Unless, rat, a human condition exists on a : plane of realization i'm personally : unfamiliar with. : : But, can zhi-le be realized all the time, : unconditionally? : : in peace, : gar : Hi gar. I think we agree. My guess is no. I think there is a spectrum of various levels and endurances of zile. I think effort can be used to increase the level and endurance. The paradox is that by an effort we become more aware that nothing in particular needs to be done to increase zile. love, rat

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Message Thread: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Bao Pu 12/22/2008, 5:17 am Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - gar 12/22/2008, 6:34 am Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - rat 12/22/2008, 7:10 am Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - gar 12/22/2008, 7:42 am Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - rat 12/22/2008, 8:01 am Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - gar 12/22/2008, 8:12 am Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - rat 12/22/2008, 8:48 am It takes more than one to tango. - Shumard Oak 12/22/2008, 8:49 am Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Bao Pu 12/22/2008, 2:23 pm Looking for the mother of desires - gar 12/23/2008, 5:30 am Re: Looking for the mother of desires - Bao Pu 12/23/2008, 12:28 pm 'I' vs 'we' - gar 12/24/2008, 5:35 am Breathe in, breathe out, and please continue. - Shumard Oak 12/22/2008, 8:40 am Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Steve 12/22/2008, 9:02 am Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - gar 12/22/2008, 9:10 am Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Steve 12/22/2008, 2:21 pm Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - rat 12/22/2008, 9:10 am Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Steve 12/22/2008, 2:01 pm non-volitional volition - Lian Dao 12/22/2008, 2:03 pm Re: non-volitional volition - Steve 12/22/2008, 2:35 pm Re: non-volitional volition - Lian Dao 12/22/2008, 2:41 pm Re: non-volitional volition - Steve 12/22/2008, 4:17 pm Re: non-volitional volition - rat 12/22/2008, 7:52 pm Re: non-volitional volition - Steve 12/23/2008, 8:50 am season of joy - rat 12/23/2008, 9:05 am Re: season of joy - Bao Pu 12/23/2008, 12:18 pm Re: season of joy - rat 12/23/2008, 12:24 pm Re: season of confusion - Bao Pu 12/23/2008, 12:30 pm Re: season of confusion - rat 12/23/2008, 8:40 pm Re: season of confusion - Steve 12/27/2008, 3:07 pm Re: season of confusion - gar 12/27/2008, 4:14 pm Some of us do things so that we can realize how to do nothing more often. - rat 12/27/2008, 4:56 pm Re: season of confusion - Steve 12/27/2008, 4:56 pm Re: season of confusion - rat 12/27/2008, 5:04 pm Re: season of confusion - Steve 12/27/2008, 6:32 pm Re: season of confusion - rat 12/27/2008, 7:41 pm Re: season of confusion - Steve 12/27/2008, 9:53 pm Re: season of confusion- As we joyfully beat the dead horse even into the New Year! - rat 12/28/2008, 7:59 am dead horses and iPods - Steve 12/28/2008, 9:26 am Rene and Laoist Temple are "back on the air" - rat 12/28/2008, 12:23 pm cultivators and non-cultivators have their own special hells - Lian Dao 12/29/2008, 10:27 am Re: cultivators and non-cultivators have their own special hells - Steve 12/29/2008, 4:57 pm subject to conditions - Lian Dao 12/30/2008, 11:46 am Re: subject to conditions - Steve 12/30/2008, 12:47 pm non-self defence - Lian Dao 12/31/2008, 2:55 pm Re: non-self defence - Steve 1/1/2009, 9:18 am Re: non-self defence - Lian Dao 1/1/2009, 2:49 pm Re: dead horses and iPods & provocative - rat 12/29/2008, 3:08 pm Re: dead horses and iPods & provocative - Steve 12/29/2008, 5:33 pm objective enlightenment - gar 12/28/2008, 5:35 am brainwaves - gar 12/28/2008, 6:05 am Re: brainwaves - rat 12/28/2008, 8:07 am Re: objective enlightenment - rat 12/28/2008, 8:05 am Re: objective enlightenment - gar 12/28/2008, 10:27 am Re: objective enlightenment - rat 12/28/2008, 12:25 pm Re: objective enlightenment - gar 12/28/2008, 12:57 pm subjective enlightenment - Lian Dao 12/29/2008, 10:22 am Re: season of joy - Shumard Oak 12/24/2008, 6:42 am Merry Christmas to you as well! - rat 12/24/2008, 8:29 am What's occuring? - Lian Dao 12/23/2008, 10:23 am Re: What's occuring? - Steve 12/23/2008, 11:12 am Re: What's occuring? - Lian Dao 12/23/2008, 11:18 am Will/intention - josef 12/22/2008, 9:54 am Re: Will/intention - Steve 12/22/2008, 4:04 pm questions - josef 12/22/2008, 6:25 pm Re: questions - Steve 12/22/2008, 6:56 pm Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Bao Pu 12/22/2008, 2:32 pm Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Steve 12/22/2008, 5:57 pm Re: Rising and Falling: a continuation - Bao Pu 12/22/2008, 6:59 pm « Back to thread

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