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Posted by Lian Dao on 11/13/2008, 9:44 am, in reply to "I want to marry two people"
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: To Steve's point about members of a religion
: being responsible for the actions of that
: religion, or something to that effect, I can
: understand his feelings. But I do not
: necessarily agree with him. Not very many
: Catholics think pedophilia is a laughing
: matter. Should we blame the lay Catholic for
: the sins of some of their priests? Should
: lay members wear shirts condemning the
: actions of some of their priests?
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: Do you honestly believe that any individual
: that depends upon another individual to tell
: them what to believe and how to live their
: life around that, is in full control of
: their capabilities?
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: What sort of relationship are we to expect
: from a man who insists that we call him
: 'Father' and wears a dress?
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: How much blame should we place upon the
: priests, the gurus, the masters, who are
: just as fully functioning human as we are,
: when they abuse their power over us? Who
: gave them that power over us in the first
: place? And who may take that power from
: them?
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: Personally, I have found people to be like
: apples on a tree. Some are good and some are
: bad.
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: Not very Taoist Butch. What happened to the
: yin in your yang?
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: As for our militant friend Steve, I think
: his cause would be better served if he
: focused more on those that support gay
: marriage than simply condemning those that
: are against it.
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: Why? Why would his cause be better served
: for being like that?
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: For me the issue of gay marraige was finally
: resolved when I thought of it in these
: terms. If someone has the right to get
: married and divorced over and over again
: then how can any adult be denied the right
: to marry the person of their choice at least
: once... and yet at the same time people have
: a right to believe that marriage is
: exclusively a heterosexual bond. What to do?
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: i'm not really following that train of
: thought there Butch. i'm not seeing that
: connection. How does the right to believe
: that only straights are capable of
: committing to marriage fit in with the right
: to remarry as many times as you choose?
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: Allow Civil Unions with "all" the
: legal rights of Marriage. Allow churches,
: religions, that choose to do so to marry gay
: couples. But don't give gays the right to
: sue a church that refuses to marry them
: because of their religious beliefs. I don't
: have a problem with making rules to protect
: minorities as long as those rules don't
: violate the rights of others.
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: Hmmm. Butch, i'm intrigued as to how 'making
: rules to protect minorities' would 'violate
: the rights of others' particularly in this
: case?
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: If an aspect of institutionalised religion
: refuses to accept gay marriage they do so
: from the position that homosexuality is
: 'wrong' or 'perverted' in accordance with
: their interpretation of their particular
: belief-system. In refusing to recognise gay
: marriage, they are refusing to recognise the
: basic humanity of gays to function and exist
: as basic, human grown-ups with all of the
: joy and sorrow, successes and mistakes that
: that may bring with it.
:
: Some of your religious friends hold that the
: earth is 6 000 years old. Are they right to
: believe that? Should they have the right to
: vote, bear arms and raise kids when they are
: clearly not fully functioning human
: grown-ups?
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: If this doesn't work for Steve then I am
: sorry. We don't always get what we want.
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: We may indeed not. However, if we as humans
: and either collectively or individually had
: always had that in mind, then what sort of a
: world would we be living in right now? And
: when it's all said and done, mercifully, it
: isn't up to you whether we do or don't get
: what we want.
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: Wow, this is a great debate. I think with
: no easy answers. My own position is
: inconsistent. I think I should be allowed
: to marry someone of either sex. But I don't
: think I should be able to marry two people,
: (whether of the same sex or not!) But I
: can't prove there is any essential
: difference between these two actions. Its
: more "what the market can bear."
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: love,
: rat
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When you do get around to marrying either or both or none at all of those two people, can i be maid of honour?
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