Tao Speaks: Dethroning objectivity

Dethroning objectivity

Posted by rat gas on 5/18/2008, 5:31 am, in reply to "Re: subjectivity-- the only game in town"
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"A highly personal lexicon of spiritual experiences with no commonality is not particularly helpful when describing aspects of Tao."
That�s all I�m sayin��
j"

Dear J

And all I would say to that is I suspect that my experience of this apparent (and admittedly compelling) commonality is subjective.

You had appeared (to me) to be making "objectivity" into a God. Now that you have dethroned it, I have little to disagree with.

Subjectivity is self-dethroning.

Love.
rat

Message Thread:

"Ennui Gas" - Fastovsky 5/6/2008, 10:38 pm
- Re: "Ennui Gas" - gar 5/7/2008, 5:08 am
- Re: "Ennui Gas" - Steve 5/7/2008, 9:23 am
  - With Friends like you who needs an enema? - Butch 5/7/2008, 3:55 pm
    - Re: With Friends like you who needs an enema? - Steve 5/7/2008, 8:03 pm
      - Re: With Friends like you who needs an enema? - Butch 5/7/2008, 8:30 pm
        
        Re: With Friends like you who needs an enema? - Steve 5/7/2008, 8:52 pm
        
        Re: With Friends like you who needs an enema? - Butch 5/8/2008, 7:29 am
        
        Things are not what they appear to be; nor are they otherwise - Surangama Sutra. - Lian Dao 5/8/2008, 9:46 am
        
        Re: Things are not what they appear to be; nor are they otherwise - Surangama Sutra. - What would Jesus say? 5/8/2008, 11:04 am
        
        Re: Things are not what they appear to be; nor are they otherwise - Surangama Sutra. - Steve 5/8/2008, 11:30 am
        
        Re: Things are not what they appear to be; nor are they otherwise - Surangama Sutra. - What would Jesus say? 5/8/2008, 11:46 am
        
        Viva la revolutionary-synapse - Lian Dao 5/8/2008, 3:30 pm
        
        Re: Viva la revolutionary-synapse - Steve 5/9/2008, 9:25 am
        
        Tooth and claw of the Buddha - Lian Dao 5/9/2008, 5:32 pm
        
        How can you ever make a brick into a mirror by polishing it? - Ma-tsu - Lian Dao 5/8/2008, 2:36 pm
        
        Re: Things are not what they appear to be; nor are they otherwise - Surangama Sutra. - Wayne L 5/8/2008, 12:33 pm
        
        God is dead- Nietschze; Nietschze is dead- God - Lian Dao 5/8/2008, 2:40 pm
        
        Re: God is dead- Nietschze; Nietschze is dead- God - Wayne L 5/9/2008, 9:26 am
        
        Jesus was a black man, no Jesus was Batman, no wait, that was Bruce Wayne - Lian Dao 5/9/2008, 5:37 pm
        
        Re: Jesus was a black man, no Jesus was Batman, no wait, that was Bruce Wayne - Wayne L 5/11/2008, 10:38 am
        
        Fathers and buddhas cut to pieces, keep the sword sharp. - Lian Dao 5/11/2008, 3:30 pm
        
        beyond love - Steve 5/8/2008, 9:57 am
        
        Re: Jesus was not a Christian - Wayne L 5/8/2008, 12:32 pm
        
        Jesus as ultimate human - Steve 5/8/2008, 1:18 pm
        
        Re: Jesus as ultimate human - Wayne L 5/8/2008, 2:12 pm
        
        Re: With Friends like you who needs an enema? - Wayne L 5/8/2008, 11:19 am
      - Re: With Friends like you who needs an enema? - Wayne L 5/8/2008, 11:16 am
  - Re: "Ennui Gas" - Wayne L 5/8/2008, 11:14 am
- Re: "Ennui Gas" - Butch 5/9/2008, 2:57 pm
  - Re: "Ennui Gas" - gar 5/9/2008, 4:01 pm
    - Love Gas - Butch 5/10/2008, 4:46 am
      - Choosing one over the other - gar 5/10/2008, 6:11 am
        
        Re: Choosing one over the other - Butch 5/10/2008, 9:47 am
        
        confusion of terms - wulf 5/11/2008, 12:11 am
        
        Re: confusion of terms - Wayne L 5/12/2008, 10:32 am
        
        Re: confusion of terms - wulf 5/13/2008, 12:10 am
        
        Re: confusion of terms - Steve 5/13/2008, 10:12 am
        
        Re: confusion of terms - wulf 5/14/2008, 6:41 am
        
        Re: confusion of terms - Steve 5/14/2008, 10:48 am
        
        Re: confusion of terms - Wayne L 5/18/2008, 12:14 pm
        
        Re: Choosing one over the other - gar 5/11/2008, 5:10 am
        
        Re: Choosing one over the other - Steve 5/10/2008, 10:05 am
        
        Re: Choosing one over the other - Butch 5/11/2008, 6:45 am
        
        Re: Choosing one over the other - Steve 5/11/2008, 9:26 am
        
        Does the shot require an eight iron or a seven? - Butch 5/11/2008, 10:30 pm
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - jemimy 5/12/2008, 8:59 pm
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - Steve 5/13/2008, 9:51 am
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - jemimy 5/13/2008, 7:41 pm
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - Butch 5/13/2008, 8:55 pm
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - jemimy 5/14/2008, 8:59 pm
        
        Mr. Data - gar 5/15/2008, 5:42 am
        
        Re: Mr. Data - jemimy 5/15/2008, 7:43 pm
        
        Re: Mr. Data - gar 5/16/2008, 6:05 am
        
        Re: Mr. Data - jemimy 5/17/2008, 5:14 am
        
        the paradox of cultivation - Steve 5/17/2008, 10:24 am
        
        Re: the paradox of cultivation - jemimy 5/17/2008, 10:14 pm
        
        Confusion - gar 5/17/2008, 7:47 pm
        
        Wall watching - Lian Dao 5/15/2008, 8:05 am
        
        Re: Wall watching - jemimy 5/15/2008, 9:26 pm
        
        A man for all seasons - Lian Dao 5/16/2008, 1:32 am
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - Steve 5/15/2008, 8:50 am
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - jemimy 5/15/2008, 9:03 pm
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - Steve 5/16/2008, 9:46 am
        
        17 May and the sun is rising... - jemimy 5/17/2008, 5:33 am
        
        Re: 17 May and the sun is rising... - Steve 5/17/2008, 9:47 am
        
        Re: 17 May and the sun is rising... - jemimy 5/17/2008, 10:16 pm
        
        xu = empty of claims - rat gas 5/15/2008, 8:54 am
        
        Re: xu = empty of claims - jemimy 5/15/2008, 9:41 pm
        
        subjectivity-- the only game in town - rat gas 5/17/2008, 7:52 am
        
        Re: subjectivity-- the only game in town - jemimy 5/17/2008, 10:39 pm
        
        subject to conditions - Lian Dao 5/18/2008, 3:45 am
        
        Re: subject to conditions - jemimy 5/18/2008, 8:55 pm
        
        Re: subject to conditions - Steve 5/19/2008, 9:25 am
        
        Re: subject to conditioning - Lame Dao 5/19/2008, 10:01 am
        
        Re: subject to conditions - rat 5/19/2008, 6:48 pm
        
        Re: subject to conditions - Steve 5/20/2008, 9:37 am
        
        Dethroning objectivity - rat gas 5/18/2008, 5:31 am
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - Steve 5/14/2008, 9:57 am
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - jemimy 5/14/2008, 10:04 pm
- Re: "Ennui Gas" - Chris 5/13/2008, 10:42 pm
  - WARNING! - Butch 5/14/2008, 7:55 am
  - WARNING! - Butch 5/14/2008, 8:03 am
    - happy gas - Chris 5/14/2008, 7:41 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : : "A highly personal lexicon of : spiritual experiences with no commonality is : not particularly helpful when describing : aspects of Tao." : That�s all I�m sayin�� : j" : : Dear J : : And all I would say to that is I suspect : that my experience of this apparent (and : admittedly compelling) commonality is : subjective. : : You had appeared (to me) to be making : "objectivity" into a God. Now : that you have dethroned it, I have little to : disagree with. : : Subjectivity is self-dethroning. : : Love. : rat : : : :

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