Tao Speaks: subjectivity-- the only game in town

subjectivity-- the only game in town

Posted by rat gas on 5/17/2008, 7:52 am, in reply to "Re: xu = empty of claims"
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: Tears poured down my face
: as I read your note, I wept.
: My wife said �Oh. Jem?�

Which seems to indicate that you Jem, enjoy subjectivity.

And as I indicated, I think subjectivity is the only game in town. That is my subjective opinion.

My other subjective opinion is that most people psychologically/emotionally need to be deceived into thinking that they can objectively characterize certain phenomena.

Most of us seem to need fundamental beliefs. We need to think "something is for sure." This is called "ding" (certainty) in classical daoism. The classical daoist position is wu yi ding, "not positing certainty."

love (subjectively),
rat

Message Thread:

"Ennui Gas" - Fastovsky 5/6/2008, 10:38 pm
- Re: "Ennui Gas" - gar 5/7/2008, 5:08 am
- Re: "Ennui Gas" - Steve 5/7/2008, 9:23 am
  - With Friends like you who needs an enema? - Butch 5/7/2008, 3:55 pm
    - Re: With Friends like you who needs an enema? - Steve 5/7/2008, 8:03 pm
      - Re: With Friends like you who needs an enema? - Butch 5/7/2008, 8:30 pm
        
        Re: With Friends like you who needs an enema? - Steve 5/7/2008, 8:52 pm
        
        Re: With Friends like you who needs an enema? - Butch 5/8/2008, 7:29 am
        
        Things are not what they appear to be; nor are they otherwise - Surangama Sutra. - Lian Dao 5/8/2008, 9:46 am
        
        Re: Things are not what they appear to be; nor are they otherwise - Surangama Sutra. - What would Jesus say? 5/8/2008, 11:04 am
        
        Re: Things are not what they appear to be; nor are they otherwise - Surangama Sutra. - Steve 5/8/2008, 11:30 am
        
        Re: Things are not what they appear to be; nor are they otherwise - Surangama Sutra. - What would Jesus say? 5/8/2008, 11:46 am
        
        Viva la revolutionary-synapse - Lian Dao 5/8/2008, 3:30 pm
        
        Re: Viva la revolutionary-synapse - Steve 5/9/2008, 9:25 am
        
        Tooth and claw of the Buddha - Lian Dao 5/9/2008, 5:32 pm
        
        How can you ever make a brick into a mirror by polishing it? - Ma-tsu - Lian Dao 5/8/2008, 2:36 pm
        
        Re: Things are not what they appear to be; nor are they otherwise - Surangama Sutra. - Wayne L 5/8/2008, 12:33 pm
        
        God is dead- Nietschze; Nietschze is dead- God - Lian Dao 5/8/2008, 2:40 pm
        
        Re: God is dead- Nietschze; Nietschze is dead- God - Wayne L 5/9/2008, 9:26 am
        
        Jesus was a black man, no Jesus was Batman, no wait, that was Bruce Wayne - Lian Dao 5/9/2008, 5:37 pm
        
        Re: Jesus was a black man, no Jesus was Batman, no wait, that was Bruce Wayne - Wayne L 5/11/2008, 10:38 am
        
        Fathers and buddhas cut to pieces, keep the sword sharp. - Lian Dao 5/11/2008, 3:30 pm
        
        beyond love - Steve 5/8/2008, 9:57 am
        
        Re: Jesus was not a Christian - Wayne L 5/8/2008, 12:32 pm
        
        Jesus as ultimate human - Steve 5/8/2008, 1:18 pm
        
        Re: Jesus as ultimate human - Wayne L 5/8/2008, 2:12 pm
        
        Re: With Friends like you who needs an enema? - Wayne L 5/8/2008, 11:19 am
      - Re: With Friends like you who needs an enema? - Wayne L 5/8/2008, 11:16 am
  - Re: "Ennui Gas" - Wayne L 5/8/2008, 11:14 am
- Re: "Ennui Gas" - Butch 5/9/2008, 2:57 pm
  - Re: "Ennui Gas" - gar 5/9/2008, 4:01 pm
    - Love Gas - Butch 5/10/2008, 4:46 am
      - Choosing one over the other - gar 5/10/2008, 6:11 am
        
        Re: Choosing one over the other - Butch 5/10/2008, 9:47 am
        
        confusion of terms - wulf 5/11/2008, 12:11 am
        
        Re: confusion of terms - Wayne L 5/12/2008, 10:32 am
        
        Re: confusion of terms - wulf 5/13/2008, 12:10 am
        
        Re: confusion of terms - Steve 5/13/2008, 10:12 am
        
        Re: confusion of terms - wulf 5/14/2008, 6:41 am
        
        Re: confusion of terms - Steve 5/14/2008, 10:48 am
        
        Re: confusion of terms - Wayne L 5/18/2008, 12:14 pm
        
        Re: Choosing one over the other - gar 5/11/2008, 5:10 am
        
        Re: Choosing one over the other - Steve 5/10/2008, 10:05 am
        
        Re: Choosing one over the other - Butch 5/11/2008, 6:45 am
        
        Re: Choosing one over the other - Steve 5/11/2008, 9:26 am
        
        Does the shot require an eight iron or a seven? - Butch 5/11/2008, 10:30 pm
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - jemimy 5/12/2008, 8:59 pm
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - Steve 5/13/2008, 9:51 am
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - jemimy 5/13/2008, 7:41 pm
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - Butch 5/13/2008, 8:55 pm
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - jemimy 5/14/2008, 8:59 pm
        
        Mr. Data - gar 5/15/2008, 5:42 am
        
        Re: Mr. Data - jemimy 5/15/2008, 7:43 pm
        
        Re: Mr. Data - gar 5/16/2008, 6:05 am
        
        Re: Mr. Data - jemimy 5/17/2008, 5:14 am
        
        the paradox of cultivation - Steve 5/17/2008, 10:24 am
        
        Re: the paradox of cultivation - jemimy 5/17/2008, 10:14 pm
        
        Confusion - gar 5/17/2008, 7:47 pm
        
        Wall watching - Lian Dao 5/15/2008, 8:05 am
        
        Re: Wall watching - jemimy 5/15/2008, 9:26 pm
        
        A man for all seasons - Lian Dao 5/16/2008, 1:32 am
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - Steve 5/15/2008, 8:50 am
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - jemimy 5/15/2008, 9:03 pm
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - Steve 5/16/2008, 9:46 am
        
        17 May and the sun is rising... - jemimy 5/17/2008, 5:33 am
        
        Re: 17 May and the sun is rising... - Steve 5/17/2008, 9:47 am
        
        Re: 17 May and the sun is rising... - jemimy 5/17/2008, 10:16 pm
        
        xu = empty of claims - rat gas 5/15/2008, 8:54 am
        
        Re: xu = empty of claims - jemimy 5/15/2008, 9:41 pm
        
        subjectivity-- the only game in town - rat gas 5/17/2008, 7:52 am
        
        Re: subjectivity-- the only game in town - jemimy 5/17/2008, 10:39 pm
        
        subject to conditions - Lian Dao 5/18/2008, 3:45 am
        
        Re: subject to conditions - jemimy 5/18/2008, 8:55 pm
        
        Re: subject to conditions - Steve 5/19/2008, 9:25 am
        
        Re: subject to conditioning - Lame Dao 5/19/2008, 10:01 am
        
        Re: subject to conditions - rat 5/19/2008, 6:48 pm
        
        Re: subject to conditions - Steve 5/20/2008, 9:37 am
        
        Dethroning objectivity - rat gas 5/18/2008, 5:31 am
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - Steve 5/14/2008, 9:57 am
        
        Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game. - jemimy 5/14/2008, 10:04 pm
- Re: "Ennui Gas" - Chris 5/13/2008, 10:42 pm
  - WARNING! - Butch 5/14/2008, 7:55 am
  - WARNING! - Butch 5/14/2008, 8:03 am
    - happy gas - Chris 5/14/2008, 7:41 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : Tears poured down my face : as I read your note, I wept. : My wife said �Oh. Jem?� : : : Which seems to indicate that you Jem, enjoy : subjectivity. : : And as I indicated, I think subjectivity is : the only game in town. That is my : subjective opinion. : : My other subjective opinion is that most : people psychologically/emotionally need to : be deceived into thinking that they can : objectively characterize certain phenomena. : : Most of us seem to need fundamental beliefs. : We need to think "something is for : sure." This is called "ding" : (certainty) in classical daoism. The : classical daoist position is wu yi ding, : "not positing certainty." : : love (subjectively), : rat :

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