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Posted by gar on 5/15/2008, 5:42 am, in reply to "Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game."
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: Yes, I do play the part of catalyst at
: times. Sometimes even consciously. I guess I
: get bored at times.
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: As far as games go, I don't know what you
: and Steve are talking about... ok, again
: you've got me. Maybe you should shut up for
: a year or so little time to spare. Lucky for
: me I rarely wear a clock. er, I mean watch.
: See what I mean.
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: Speaking of the subjective, a subject you
: have brought up so don't complain to me
: 'cause I am just doing my job. You speak of
: subjective as if it is some sort of
: conspiracy or mortal sin. Left-brainer you
: be. To deny subjective truth is just as
: false as claiming absolute subjective truth.
: That is, yes, I have a subjective opinion,
: but what separates me from some is that I
: also recognize the subjectiveness of
: "others" as well. Mountains are
: again mountains. Lot of mountains around
: these parts. Perhaps I have more regard for
: you than you have for yourself.
:
: As far as egos go mine comes and goes as do
: all seemingly separate things. But my ego
: likes to think it doesn't come 'round as
: much as it used to. My ego is more refined
: than it once was. Yes it is. I SAID IT IS.
: ok, I said it is. See, much more refined
: than it once was 'cause this is twice upon a
: time. What, me story?
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: rat could be wrong. I don't know you well
: enough to know if you could be wrong or not.
: Steve is wrong all the time. He is right
: that way.
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: Butch
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: Butch, I didn’t mention clocks, watches,
: or time. I enjoy life, I am pretty good at
: it, but I prefer life in the everyday sense
: to life in the “internet chat room”
: sense. Your post caught me at a weak moment.
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: Discussing subjectivity is a semantic
: minefield. At the risk of being hoist with
: my own petard I contend this: subjective
: opinions are neither “conspiracy” nor
: “mortal sin--they are conversationally
: vacant. That you, or anyone, feel a certain
: way about a particular concept based on
: anecdotal information, personal prejudice,
: or a “gut” feeling is not likely to be
: particularly valuable to anyone that is not
: you. The lexicon of personal, spiritual
: experience is imprecise and varies by
: milieu.
:
: You may say you stubbed a toe or bumped an
: elbow and engender a sympathetic response
: from me based on a common human ability to
: feel vicariously the physical discomfort of
: another human. However, when you say you
: feel a oneness with the universe or a
: plurality with the multiverse I am at a
: loss.
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: Subjectivity is, of course, the antonym of
: objectivity. Subjectivity is based on
: feelings, or personal opinions instead of
: external, empirical, or historical evidence.
: Objectivity is not. I prefer the latter.
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: Ego has, in the past, been much discussed
: here. I have ego enough to bathe regularly.
: Beyond that, I couldn’t say.
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: Yes, Rat could be wrong. Steve, of course,
: is wrong all the time…that’s why he’s
: called “Steve.” If you were less Butch
: you would be correct more often.
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: j
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: Greetings j
If, in my response to your post, a sense of non-understanding appears, it's because of your intellectual style of writing which i have difficulty comprehending. You appear to me as a bright individual that lives in a world of logic and observable nuance.
Gar is curious about your statement, " Discussing subjectivity is a semantic minefield." because that seems what humans do. But, you would be great in a engineering meeting. However, if we were sitting around a campfire discussing what has been seemily revealed with introspection your comments would be subjective, would they not?
Please keep posting, jemimy, your thoughts are very stimulating.
in peace,
gar
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"The Tao is basically utterly open. Utter openeness has no substance. It ends in endlessness, begins in beginninglessnes".
-Li Daoqun
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