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Posted by Butch on 5/13/2008, 8:55 pm, in reply to "Re: Ignore the distractions--keep your head in the game."
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: The master butcher never needs to sharpen
: his knife because it is never dull--the
: butcher attends to his tools. A perfect golf
: swing is the result of 10,000 golf
: swings--the master golfer knows his
: weaknesses.
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: Mastery in the physical realm is not
: achieved by osmosis--it requires practice,
: preparation, and precision to achieve that
: “natural” mastery. Conversely, mastery
: in the esoteric, subjective realm of
: spiritual autodidacts only requires the
: neophyte to say, “Teach me…Master.”
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: I know, slightly off subject. Please forgive
: the interruption.
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: j
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: Nothing is ever off-topic here. Your
: observations are appreciated.
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: I put it this way: If you sense an
: 'otherness' that coexists with, or is
: superimposed on, this world of ours, then
: the game is over. You've won. You're home.
: You've realized as much as any human being
: on the planet will ever realize.
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: If after that, you feel the need to seek
: some esoteric and rarefied spiritual
: 'truth,' that's fine and dandy. You're
: still home, playing 'hide and seek' with
: yourself.
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: We all play the game to one extent or the
: other. The game is fun and apparently
: useful--otherwise why would we play it.
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: Steve
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: Thanks, Steve. I have lurked here for years
: but I rarely post. My life keeps me very
: busy and I do not enjoy contending.
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: Nina described me once as a provocateur.
: Perhaps she was right. I commented this time
: because Butch, in my opinion, works better
: as a catalyst than as a font of wisdom.
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: I infer from your reference to an
: “otherness” which “coexists with, or
: is superimposed on, this world of ours”
: that you see natural forces as somehow
: separated, or perhaps layered--an existence
: stratum. That is not my understanding of the
: wholeness in which we dwell. When I sense an
: “otherness,” I switch to soft drinks.
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: Have I misunderstood your comment?
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: I am a pragmatist. I eschew esotericism
: because it is inherently exclusionary.
: Further, I have no notion of what a
: “spiritual truth” might be.
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: Yes, we play the game. For some it is an
: exchange of ideas. For many the game is an
: assertion of patently subjective, egocentric
: concepts promulgated as truth.
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: However, as they say, I could be wrong.
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: j
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j,
Yes, I do play the part of catalyst at times. Sometimes even consciously. I guess I get bored at times.
As far as games go, I don't know what you and Steve are talking about... ok, again you've got me. Maybe you should shut up for a year or so little time to spare. Lucky for me I rarely wear a clock. er, I mean watch. See what I mean.
Speaking of the subjective, a subject you have brought up so don't complain to me 'cause I am just doing my job. You speak of subjective as if it is some sort of conspiracy or mortal sin. Left-brainer you be. To deny subjective truth is just as false as claiming absolute subjective truth. That is, yes, I have a subjective opinion, but what separates me from some is that I also recognize the subjectiveness of "others" as well. Mountains are again mountains. Lot of mountains around these parts. Perhaps I have more regard for you than you have for yourself.
As far as egos go mine comes and goes as do all seemingly separate things. But my ego likes to think it doesn't come 'round as much as it used to. My ego is more refined than it once was. Yes it is. I SAID IT IS. ok, I said it is. See, much more refined than it once was 'cause this is twice upon a time. What, me story?
rat could be wrong. I don't know you well enough to know if you could be wrong or not. Steve is wrong all the time. He is right that way.
Butch
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"The Tao is basically utterly open. Utter openeness has no substance. It ends in endlessness, begins in beginninglessnes".
-Li Daoqun
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