Tao Speaks: no shame, no gain

no shame, no gain

Posted by Lian Dao on 3/25/2008, 9:55 am, in reply to "No Apology Needed Among Friends"
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And here we enter the crux of the problem. Practice is NOT enlightenment anymore than enlightenment is. Sitting still and following breath; who actually is it assuming the posture or working the lungs? If meditation was enlightenment, then where are all the Buddhas and Lao Tzu's? Butch, your Yeshua bim Myriam died for your sins, what then do you have to do? Give up the holy ghost, man!

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Tibet - Chris 3/20/2008, 2:32 am
- Freedom for Tibet - Lian Dao 3/20/2008, 5:34 am
- Re: Tibet - wulf 3/21/2008, 2:39 am
  - Re: Tibet - Chris 3/21/2008, 3:23 pm
    - Re: Tibet - wulf 3/24/2008, 2:13 am
- Re: Tibet - Fastovsky 3/22/2008, 9:35 pm
  - Re: Tibet - Bao Pu 3/23/2008, 9:54 am
    - Pray! - Butch 3/24/2008, 8:39 am
      - Meditate! - gar 3/24/2008, 9:28 am
      - Butch Comes Out! - Lian Dao 3/24/2008, 9:37 am
      - Re: Pray! - Steve 3/24/2008, 3:45 pm
        
        Pray I don't run out of air! - Butch 3/24/2008, 4:11 pm
        
        an apology to Lian Dao - Steve 3/24/2008, 5:43 pm
        
        Re: an apology to Lian Dao accepted - Lian Dao 3/25/2008, 4:47 am
        
        No Apology Needed Among Friends - Butch 3/25/2008, 8:20 am
        
        Re: No Apology Needed Among Friends - Steve 3/25/2008, 9:21 am
        
        Re: No Apology Needed Among Friends - gar 3/25/2008, 9:30 am
        
        no shame, no gain - Lian Dao 3/25/2008, 9:55 am
        
        Practice is Enlightenment - Butch 3/25/2008, 10:59 pm
        
        burn the heretics - Steve 3/26/2008, 9:08 am
        
        Rebel Without a Cause - Butch 3/26/2008, 6:40 pm
        
        Re: Rebel Without a Cause - Steve 3/26/2008, 9:07 pm
        
        Re: Rebel Without a Cause - Butch 3/26/2008, 10:06 pm
      - Prayer is Poison - Jaime 3/26/2008, 11:41 am
        
        Re: Prayer is Poison - Steve 3/26/2008, 3:47 pm
        
        Prayer is an Antidote for what ails us. - Butch 3/26/2008, 6:56 pm
        
        Re: Prayer is Poison - Butch 3/26/2008, 10:05 pm
        
        Re: Prayer is Poison - Steve 3/26/2008, 10:37 pm
        
        Re: Prayer is Poison - Butch 3/26/2008, 6:46 pm
        
        Re: Prayer is Poison - Fastovsky 3/26/2008, 11:31 pm
        
        Re: Prayer is Poison - Jaime 3/27/2008, 10:21 am
        
        Re: Prayer is Poison - Fastovsky 3/27/2008, 7:12 pm
        
        boycott was a weapon of fascism - wulf 3/28/2008, 7:33 am
        
        Re: boycott was a weapon of fascism - Jaime 3/28/2008, 11:01 am
        
        Re: boycott was a weapon of fascism - wulf 3/28/2008, 1:43 pm
        
        Re: Misquotations of Chairman Mao - Fastovsky 3/27/2008, 7:06 pm
        
        Re: Misquotations of Chairman Mao - Jaime 3/28/2008, 11:03 am
- Re: Tibet - Lian Dao 3/24/2008, 3:14 pm
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--Previous Message-- : And here we enter the crux of the problem. : Practice is NOT enlightenment anymore than : enlightenment is. Sitting still and : following breath; who actually is it : assuming the posture or working the lungs? : If meditation was enlightenment, then where : are all the Buddhas and Lao Tzu's? Butch, : your Yeshua bim Myriam died for your sins, : what then do you have to do? Give up the : holy ghost, man! :

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