Tao Speaks: Re: subject to conditions & enjoying despite not escaping

Re: subject to conditions & enjoying despite not escaping

Posted by rat on 3/13/2008, 9:47 am, in reply to "subject to conditions"
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--Previous Message--
: Again to utilise loop-language, we either owe
: the world or the world owes us.
: Fundamentally we appear to have a choice.
: Subjectively we are free to choose. Or not
: to choose. Or even choose another choice.
: The Dao as skillful means draws our
: attention away from the loop. And as we all
: know the loop is a closed circuit whereas
: the Dao is basically and utterly open.
:

I don't know if we are close or not on that criterion Lian Dao. I find that the skillful means greatly help me (me = rat = a nexus of perception/experience) enjoy life despite not being able to escape the loop.

I suspect some folks want more out of skillful means. For instance, a solution for the existential quandry of the human animal.

I'll be happy to stay in the minor leagues. Laozi: "Realize you already have enough to be content." i e, we may not need a perfect solution to be happy.

love,
rat

Message Thread:

logical inconsistency at the heart of daoism and arresting the mind - rat 3/12/2008, 8:45 am
- Re: logical inconsistency at the heart of daoism and arresting the mind - Steve 3/12/2008, 10:00 am
  - Re: logical inconsistency at the heart of daoism and arresting the mind - rat 3/12/2008, 10:08 am
    - Re: logical inconsistency at the heart of daoism and arresting the mind - Steve 3/12/2008, 10:38 am
      - Re: logical inconsistency at the heart of daoism and arresting the mind - rat 3/12/2008, 6:05 pm
- arrested consistency and the art of Daoism and Chapter 16 DDJ as the key - Lian Dao 3/12/2008, 10:50 am
  - Re: arrested consistency and the art of Daoism and Chapter 16 DDJ as the key - gar 3/12/2008, 5:09 pm
    - here and there and back again - Lian Dao 3/13/2008, 1:20 am
      - Re: here and there and back again - gar 3/13/2008, 6:47 am
        
        yeshua wants me for a rainbow - Lian Dao 3/13/2008, 7:13 am
        
        Re: yeshua wants me for a rainbow - gar 3/13/2008, 7:32 am
        
        fundamentalist choice heaven or hell? i choose neither! - Lian Dao 3/13/2008, 11:10 am
  - loop-escape - rat 3/12/2008, 5:58 pm
    - Re: loop-escape - Steve 3/12/2008, 6:48 pm
      - Re: loop-escape - Chris 3/12/2008, 9:02 pm
    - subject to conditions - Lian Dao 3/13/2008, 1:41 am
      - Re: subject to conditions & enjoying despite not escaping - rat 3/13/2008, 9:47 am
        
        round and round the mulberry bush - Lian Dao 3/13/2008, 11:07 am
- Bad Faith - Butch 3/13/2008, 10:02 am
  - Re: Bad Faith - rat 3/13/2008, 6:36 pm
    - Re: Bad Faith - rat 3/13/2008, 6:36 pm
  - Re: Bad Faith - Wayne L 3/15/2008, 1:08 pm
- Re: logical inconsistency at the heart of daoism and arresting the mind - Wayne L 3/15/2008, 11:48 am
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : Again to utilise loop-language, we either : owe : the world or the world owes us. : Fundamentally we appear to have a choice. : Subjectively we are free to choose. Or not : to choose. Or even choose another choice. : The Dao as skillful means draws our : attention away from the loop. And as we all : know the loop is a closed circuit whereas : the Dao is basically and utterly open. : : : I don't know if we are close or not on that : criterion Lian Dao. I find that the : skillful means greatly help me (me = rat = a : nexus of perception/experience) enjoy life : despite not being able to escape the loop. : : I suspect some folks want more out of : skillful means. For instance, a solution : for the existential quandry of the human : animal. : : I'll be happy to stay in the minor leagues. : Laozi: "Realize you already have enough : to be content." i e, we may not need a : perfect solution to be happy. : : love, : rat :

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