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arrested consistency and the art of Daoism and Chapter 16 DDJ as the key

Posted by Lian Dao on 3/12/2008, 10:50 am, in reply to "logical inconsistency at the heart of daoism and arresting the mind"
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i am in an accord of sorts, good sir. Obviously the logical model, the paradigm that defines may only be applied to that which we may percieve and define and which we are now refering to as the loop. Yet in order to perceive this loop then we must to some degree be outside of this loop in order for us to even be able to perceive the process. This 'willed' perception is more marked in Daoism and Zen, which have both developed proceedures to enhance (a safe enough word?) this experience.

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logical inconsistency at the heart of daoism and arresting the mind - rat 3/12/2008, 8:45 am
- Re: logical inconsistency at the heart of daoism and arresting the mind - Steve 3/12/2008, 10:00 am
  - Re: logical inconsistency at the heart of daoism and arresting the mind - rat 3/12/2008, 10:08 am
    - Re: logical inconsistency at the heart of daoism and arresting the mind - Steve 3/12/2008, 10:38 am
      - Re: logical inconsistency at the heart of daoism and arresting the mind - rat 3/12/2008, 6:05 pm
- arrested consistency and the art of Daoism and Chapter 16 DDJ as the key - Lian Dao 3/12/2008, 10:50 am
  - Re: arrested consistency and the art of Daoism and Chapter 16 DDJ as the key - gar 3/12/2008, 5:09 pm
    - here and there and back again - Lian Dao 3/13/2008, 1:20 am
      - Re: here and there and back again - gar 3/13/2008, 6:47 am
        
        yeshua wants me for a rainbow - Lian Dao 3/13/2008, 7:13 am
        
        Re: yeshua wants me for a rainbow - gar 3/13/2008, 7:32 am
        
        fundamentalist choice heaven or hell? i choose neither! - Lian Dao 3/13/2008, 11:10 am
  - loop-escape - rat 3/12/2008, 5:58 pm
    - Re: loop-escape - Steve 3/12/2008, 6:48 pm
      - Re: loop-escape - Chris 3/12/2008, 9:02 pm
    - subject to conditions - Lian Dao 3/13/2008, 1:41 am
      - Re: subject to conditions & enjoying despite not escaping - rat 3/13/2008, 9:47 am
        
        round and round the mulberry bush - Lian Dao 3/13/2008, 11:07 am
- Bad Faith - Butch 3/13/2008, 10:02 am
  - Re: Bad Faith - rat 3/13/2008, 6:36 pm
    - Re: Bad Faith - rat 3/13/2008, 6:36 pm
  - Re: Bad Faith - Wayne L 3/15/2008, 1:08 pm
- Re: logical inconsistency at the heart of daoism and arresting the mind - Wayne L 3/15/2008, 11:48 am
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--Previous Message-- : i am in an accord of sorts, good sir. : Obviously the logical model, the paradigm : that defines may only be applied to that : which we may percieve and define and which : we are now refering to as the loop. Yet in : order to perceive this loop then we must to : some degree be outside of this loop in order : for us to even be able to perceive the : process. This 'willed' perception is more : marked in Daoism and Zen, which have both : developed proceedures to enhance (a safe : enough word?) this experience. :

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