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Posted by rat on 3/12/2008, 8:45 am
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Lian Dao wrote--
Of course it appears that in order to escape
said subjective loop then said subjective
loop has to be said to actually even exist.
If the said subjective loop were to not
actually even exist then realisation of this
could be said to position aforementioned
Master outside of said subjective loop.
Rat wrote-
Dear Lian Dao
my opinion--
What I am saying is that although the Zen and Daoist model are quite useful in practice, they are even more useful in practice when we accept that there is apparently an inescapable logical flaw at the heart of these two models. To deny that seems to me to be as elementary a mistake as the Manichaens made, and for the same motive--
As human animals, we are hungry for significance, and anything that threatens the significance of our model, daoist or Zenist, threatens our significance.
I candidly suspect bad faith whenever someone denys the logical inconsistency at the heart of Taoism and Zen. As soon as I open my mouth it appears, as it always must.
Ernest Brown on Sartre's bad faith: "Rather, bad faith is a sustained program of self-deception and self-negation in which the individual involved considers herself to be in full possession of the truth regarding not only her own condition, but the condition of the world as well."
The flaw in daoism and Zen is of great practical use. It arrests the mind. That is an example of ZZ's "use of the useless."
love,
rat
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"The Tao is basically utterly open. Utter openeness has no substance. It ends in endlessness, begins in beginninglessnes".
-Li Daoqun
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