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Posted by josef on 1/17/2008, 9:18 am, in reply to "Re: pop recognition of ancient wisdom"
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: Are you claiming you skipped the desiring
: part and went directly to awareness, josef?
This is so elemental, Steve, and we keep going over it. There no desire to have awareness...we're born aware. Where we direct our awareness is habit or choice. Not to have any is coma or death.
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: You seem determined to omit human ickiness
: from the equation.
What Ickiness???
: Will you at least admit that your very human
: and very wicked desires--for clarity,
: awareness, whatever...are part of the
: equation?
No, I'm aware, there's no desire involved. Clarity is a discovery, not a desire. The initial desire for clarity, Enlightenment, whatever else, that sent me on this journey, gave way a long time ago to simple fascination, engagement, curiosity without expectation or hope of anything, a spirit of inquiry for its own sake. Just experience. Could liken it to entering a vast new landscape with extraordinary colors, textures, shapes, and simply exploring it, fascinated. Enoughness in just living it.
You don't have to trust my experience, I haven't insisted you do. I have shared it, but am dead tired of having to defend it to you and re-explain it. The Taoist practices & principles that used to be discussed here by people who find great insight in them have been so challenged here, debased even, little by little the forum has emptied. I give up, too.
josef
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"The Tao is basically utterly open. Utter openeness has no substance. It ends in endlessness, begins in beginninglessnes".
-Li Daoqun
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