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Posted by josef on 1/16/2008, 9:26 am, in reply to "Re: pop recognition of ancient wisdom"
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: The matter of using mind to settle
: mind...heh, fun to try and wrap one's mind
: around that baby.
Steve, words fail here, but I would say rather it's using awareness to observe mind.
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: The awareness you seek either comes or it
: does not. I don't think this is
: predestination or karmic destiny; it's more
: subtle than that. With powerful biological
: influences and ramifications.
It's not a matter of "seeking awareness", one is just aware. Becoming aware of the activity in one's own mind in this case.
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: That at some point in your past, josef, you
: alighted on meditative practice was no
: accident. Your mind was already on a path
: toward achieving something you understood to
: be desirable, and you gravitated toward a
: means to achieve your goal.
Yes, that's true. In the beginning it was about a goal. In time the goal fell away and it just became interest, curiosity, fascination, going deeper and deeper into the experience, becoming more alert and at peace in the process.
: You cannot put yourself, or be put, on the
: path. Useless, for example, to say to
: someone "You should meditate" or
: "You should seek clarity" or even
: "You should seek peace." Either
: it happens or it does not.
Agree useless, and I'd add presumptuous, to tell someone else what to do or how to live life. One can only speak of one's own experience. Others may relate to them or not. No wish to impose one's own view, but also no trusting one's own experience.
Ruthless sincerity, someone put it: ruthless, you can't be conned; sincere you don't con. Straight-arrow living. Very plain.
josef
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"The Tao is basically utterly open. Utter openeness has no substance. It ends in endlessness, begins in beginninglessnes".
-Li Daoqun
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