Tao Speaks: Re: Practicing Nature Mysticism, a meditation

Re: Practicing Nature Mysticism, a meditation

Posted by josef on 11/4/2007, 9:43 am, in reply to "Re: Practicing Nature Mysticism, a meditation"
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--Previous Message--

: Thanks, josef. A few personal observations, if I may.
:
: First, I'm not at all interested in 'liberation' or 'enlightenment.'
: Whenever it enters my mind that maybe it would be nice to be liberated from
: something, or to be 'enlightened' (the Mother of All Egocentric,
: Egomaniacal Monster-from-Hell Concepts--this idea of 'being enlightened'),
: I slap my face and go back to doing the dishes. Or I cut my chin shaving.
: Or I go do some volunteer work somewhere.
:
: I think there are two fundamental delusions in the world: (1) that there
: is a fundamental problem, anywhere; and (2) that there is something to be
: liberated from. Clinging to these delusions brings misery and suffering
: into the world.
:
: But even that's not a fundamental problem. Certainly something for all of
: us to work on--in our many and wondrous ways--but not a fundamental
: problem. :)
:
: Steven

Hi, Steven,

Agree wanting enlightenment as ambition is simply spiritual materialism, self-serving in a deceptively pretty guise. But the leaning toward optimum functionality, to clear seeing and harmonious, peaceful contentment is a natural one, imo. And in the end, I think that's what all this is about. Some (myself included) see the way to that in cultivation and meditation, like a recipe. Others, like yourself, don't see the need or feel that's the way to go, or that there's any need to have a "way". That we each in sincerity respond and resonate differently to things is just so, and I see no problem at all in it. I've come to "see" and appreciate your perception much better in the past weeks as you spoke more of it. It's good to let it all in, imo, no grand & final conclusions needed. Enough to sincerely continue to see as well as possible, stay attentive, real and open, respectful of all, and let the cosmic chips fall where they may. :-)

josef

Message Thread:

Practicing Nature Mysticism, a meditation - josef 11/3/2007, 1:13 pm
- Re: Practicing Nature Mysticism, a meditation - Steven 11/3/2007, 2:20 pm
  - Re: Practicing Nature Mysticism, a meditation - josef 11/3/2007, 3:53 pm
    - correction - josef 11/3/2007, 3:58 pm
    - 2nd correction - josef 11/3/2007, 4:23 pm
    - Re: Practicing Nature Mysticism, a meditation - Steven 11/4/2007, 9:27 am
      - Re: Practicing Nature Mysticism, a meditation - josef 11/4/2007, 9:43 am
        
        p.s. - josef 11/4/2007, 10:03 am
        
        Re: p.s. - p.p.s. 11/4/2007, 10:23 am
        
        Re: p.s. - Steven 11/4/2007, 10:50 am
        
        Re: Practicing Nature Mysticism, a meditation - Steven 11/4/2007, 10:36 am
- all dharmas lead to Dharma - Lian Dao 11/4/2007, 1:32 am
  - Re: all dharmas lead to Dharma - Butch 11/4/2007, 12:17 pm
    - all taos return to Tao - Lian Dao 11/4/2007, 12:42 pm
      - taos is in new mexico. - Butch 11/4/2007, 6:08 pm
        
        ask Maitreya - Lian Dao 11/5/2007, 3:10 am
    - and all dust settles to dust - Lian Dao 11/4/2007, 1:07 pm
      - There is no mirror for the dust to alight on... except this one, the mirror of pure awareness. - Butch 11/4/2007, 7:57 pm
        
        Rivers are the long tongue of the Buddha and mountains are the body of the Dharma - Lian Dao 11/5/2007, 1:32 am
        
        chopping wood to fuel the fire - Lian Dao 11/5/2007, 6:08 am
        
        Re: chopping wood to fuel the fire - Wayne L 11/5/2007, 1:01 pm
        
        Mountains are mountains, streams are streams. And I am still in love. - Butch 11/5/2007, 8:35 am
        
        symbolic reality is a thought - josef 11/5/2007, 9:16 am
        
        Re: symbolic reality is a thought - gar 11/5/2007, 9:34 am
        
        consciousness - josef 11/5/2007, 10:34 am
        
        Re: consciousness - gar 11/5/2007, 11:06 am
        
        Re: consciousness - josef 11/5/2007, 12:19 pm
        
        getting out of context - Lian Dao 11/5/2007, 9:47 am
        
        the thought is the thinker of the thought - Lian Dao 11/5/2007, 9:33 am
    - and so on - Lian Dao 11/4/2007, 1:24 pm
    - Re: all dharmas lead to Dharma - Steven 11/4/2007, 1:37 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : Thanks, josef. A few personal observations, : if I may. : : First, I'm not at all interested in : 'liberation' or 'enlightenment.' : Whenever it enters my mind that maybe it : would be nice to be liberated from : something, or to be 'enlightened' (the : Mother of All Egocentric, : Egomaniacal Monster-from-Hell Concepts--this : idea of 'being enlightened'), : I slap my face and go back to doing the : dishes. Or I cut my chin shaving. : Or I go do some volunteer work somewhere. : : I think there are two fundamental delusions : in the world: (1) that there : is a fundamental problem, anywhere; and (2) : that there is something to be : liberated from. Clinging to these delusions : brings misery and suffering : into the world. : : But even that's not a fundamental problem. : Certainly something for all of : us to work on--in our many and wondrous : ways--but not a fundamental : problem. :) : : Steven : : Hi, Steven, : : Agree wanting enlightenment as ambition is : simply spiritual materialism, self-serving : in a deceptively pretty guise. But the : leaning toward optimum functionality, to : clear seeing and harmonious, peaceful : contentment is a natural one, imo. And in : the end, I think that's what all this is : about. Some (myself included) see the way to : that in cultivation and meditation, like a : recipe. Others, like yourself, don't see the : need or feel that's the way to go, or that : there's any need to have a "way". : That we each in sincerity respond and : resonate differently to things is just so, : and I see no problem at all in it. I've come : to "see" and appreciate your : perception much better in the past weeks as : you spoke more of it. It's good to let it : all in, imo, no grand & final : conclusions needed. Enough to sincerely : continue to see as well as possible, stay : attentive, real and open, respectful of all, : and let the cosmic chips fall where they : may. :-) : : josef : : :

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