Now, now, Randy. If it wasn’t for Graham, how would any of us know about Japanese atrocities? I mean, whoever knew about the Rape of Nanking, before now? Japanese contributors to the MB should be required to apologize to us before they are allowed to post. Same for the Germans.
I look forward to Graham educating all of us about the lost benefits of British colonialism and how well treated their African and Indian subjects were. Never any atrocities committed there. Amritsar was entirely the fault of the Indians.
...the imagination; so much whining, so little time. Well, let's give it a try.
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about wrt "...deliberately ignor(ing) the slur concerning the American flyers...." But you may wish to review this little point of fact: https://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/80-G-288000/80-G-288874.html
Do make sure you read the target coordinator's comments regarding the attack on Nachi . However, since you've demonstrated deep-seated and obvious comprehension and research problems I'll post it here for you:
Original Caption: "Destroyer shown in skulking in background to pick up cruiser's survivors was mercilessly attacked and left burning and sinking by our planes. (Note: by target coordinator: 'We circled down to 20 feet to make sure there were absolutely no survivors. Fifteen or twenty oily figures were served with .50 caliber just to make sure.')"
Now that you have at least one fact straight, I'll straighten you out on a few more: you came on strong talking up how the Japanese were barbaric without, I might point out--actually reading what I wrote--which hardly denied the obvious. You can reread my original post on the matter, specifically paragraph 4; I'm not doing all your work for you: http://members.boardhost.com/Warship/msg/1531186828.html
Moving on to additional specifics, since you obviously missed the point of the original conversation, the issue in question was Raven's assertion about the attack on Cornwall and Dorsetshire where--it seems to me has been reliably and credibly established--no such atrocities, as happened with Nachi , occurred. As was made clear in my original post one could make a better case for atrocities by looking into the actions of Ariizumi during this time period; there are many other examples but not--I repeat not--wrt Cornwall and Dorsetshire which, I remind you again, was the topic of discussion...not your hijacking of the subject to alert us to--and evidently you seem to believe this to be breaking news--the fact that the Japanese committed war atrocities. Gee, are you ever smart.
In fact, you've demonstrated that there are more horse's fannies than horses in your neck of the woods by claiming that I fostered some "...perception that the honourable Japanese were being 'tarred' before they deserved to be..." even as I provided fodder for folks who wished to properly assign atrocities to those who--you know--actually committed them. Or weren't you able to read that part ? The Japanese pilots over Cornwall and Dorsetshire committed no such atrocities nor were any alleged, much less prosecuted. The same can't be said for others--such as the Sakonju I mentioned above. Additionally, I later mentioned the experiences my Uncle underwent so there's no need to belabor the point that you're off your rocker on a topic which wasn't even under discussion.
Anyway, as for previous atrocities--in China, for example--since you're so sensitive, I'm more than well aware of what the Japanese engaged in and not only by way of Iris Chang: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_Chang
She was a beautiful and intelligent gal and I've always felt she grew enormously depressed over her discovery of the depths of human depravity; I do believe it contributed to her suicide, the dear girl. She was very, very beautiful. Here you are coming on like I know nothing about these matters. You made yourself look mighty dumb just for thinking that, nevermind writing it. So much for you bringing me up to speed. Once again, enlighten me as to what China has to do with the sinking of Dorsetshire and Cornwall ?
Oops, wait a minute: you were whining about my confronting the RNFanboys.... Had you been around here as long as you claim to have been--not that that makes for anything, you would have noticed the distinct base of folks who simply can't fathom how the RN gets such short shrift. Raven's gaffe regarding the supposed machine-gunning of Dorsetshire 's survivors is but one example. This sort of uninformed sniping not only ignores the fact that the RN was involved in war over two years before the United States (nevermind the bankrolling and support Britain received during this time period) but it also represents a conspicuous desire to wish away the fact that when the Japanese swept away the colonial empires--that would include Britain, by the way--they did it in such a humiliating, swift and decisive manner as to light the fuse for nationalist uprisings over the next 20-30 years culminating, one might speculate, in the Vietnam War. The yellow man finally beat the white man at his own game; I guess that firmly puts me in the Willmott school, now doesn't it ?
Now you can summon up all these other so-called defeats: Pearl Harbor (really, a surprise attack ?); Wake Island (initially repulsing an overwhelming Japanese assault ?) and others. You're attempting to create an argument where none exists; there are many who recognize the failures of leadership, strategy, tactics and materiel...me included. I made no case for any of that at all so you've not only moved the goalposts, you're arguing with yourself; my case was with the RN Fanboys who can't accept that the RN had its ass handed to it. Or would you rather compare the loss of Prince of Wales and Repulse with the attack on Pearl Harbor ? Another way to stoop to your level would be to ask why the Japanese were able to run the RN out of the Indian Ocean whereas they couldn't manage the same with the USN in the Pacific. I'm not sure they're productive exercises but it's an argument you've forwarded. Don't know why you're doing this but there you have it.
I needn't really address you diatribe here:
I don't need to go on...you never will.
...since it is founded upon falsehoods and distortions of your own creation. That's what I mean when I challenge your fevered imagination. But one point stood out from that runaway train of thought...if that's what one can call it: "...The plain reality is that Japan in 1941 as a society was feudal, subservient and technologically and culturally backward, and that its military was nothing more than a bunch of medieval sword-swinging spear chucker's..." Perhaps no better example of the mindset which doomed Malaya and Singapore--and led directly to those nationalist uprisings I mentioned above--could be found than these ravings of yours.
Let's make no mistake here: you're the only one who is concerned about dignifying Japan's actions in the Pacific war--anything else is quite the figment of your imagination and solely of your own creation. Perhaps it's time to put down the crack pipe and read what is posted when you're sober rather than jumping to the keyboard and pounding out these lunatic rantings. Really, you'd do yourself a favor to let you cat walk across the keyboard and go with that. Let me clue you in on something: you have absolutely no monopoly on information regarding the events of the Pacific war and I'll bet I possess more volumes--and have read them--than you've seen in your entire life so spare my your sanctimony...there's already enough to go around without you chipping in you half-penny's worth.
Incidentally, back to the original topic, have you some information that tells us the Japanese repeatedly machine-gunned the survivors of Dorsetshire ? Before you climbed up that slippery soapbox of yours that was the original topic of conversation and if you can't refute what was posted than you really ought to stop working that mouth of yours until you can.