Gentlemen, ... thank you all.
Thanks to what you three have said, I will have Kyle paint the model in an overall gray scheme. That'd be a "safe bet."
But, here is another question for either you, Rick, or Dr. Ross; I know that the PTs in the Med had a yellow triangle on the foredeck and a red stripe across the aft deck, ... would the special op 63s have these?
Again, thank you three.
: A couple of points.
: 1). The ARB's being used as Spec Ops craft
: don't have to follow Tech Orders for ARB
: delivered for a different mission. The Spec
: Ops would be operating mostly in night ops,
: which points to camo using darker colors for
: their craft. Who operated these vessels,
: the USN or USA or RN???
: 2). I don't doubt that your friend came up
: with an "equivalent" Gray to this
: Grayscale image. But, that is NOT a
: translation to what REAL shade the boat was
: painted. The "shade" of gray
: still can represent a wide range of unknown
: shades of color. This image was taken with
: an unknown B&W film type (likely either
: Orthochromatic or Panchromatic) which had
: different spectral responses to colors in
: the scene the camera was looking at. What
: kind of camera was used is unknown, the
: settings of the camera is unknown, what
: filters were used on the camera is unknown.
: How the print was processed on what kind of
: paper is unknown. Then some 70 years later
: I came along and scanned this photo in
: GRAYSCALE with a digital scanner.
: No one can tell what a color was used on a
: ship based solely on a B&W photo. Other
: factors must be known such as what the
: policy of applying camo was during the time
: period the photo was taken in the location
: the ship was at. The forces in the Med,
: particularly the Special Forces, were not
: bound by what the USN Atlantic and Pacific
: Fleets (or for that matter the 4th Fleet in
: the South Atlantic) directed their ships to
: be painted. I have looked at several
: 1,000's of original B&W (and even a few
: color) photos and have noted a wide range on
: "GRAYSCALE" to known camo paint
: colors. As an example, Navy Blue 5-N can
: appear as very light or very dark in a B&W
: Here are three examples of how 5-N looked in
: grayscale B&W photos. USS IOWA was painted
: in Ms 22 using 5-N on the lower band and 5-H
: above that. 5-N paint was known to fade
: badly, but not this bad. USS HUDSON only
: four months after commissioning was
: brand-new when this photo was taken. Note
: comparison with the ship in the background.
: USS De HAVEN was sunk only a few days after
: this photo was taken. Actually De HAVEN's
: photo appears to have been a still frame
: from a movie. I have images of Ms 21
: painted ships every where in grayscale
: between these extremes.
: The only thing you can do to decide on how
: to paint your model, is base it on your best
: research from those who have studied the
: subject ARB craft in the MED. If no one
: knows what camo color they painted these
: vessels, take your best guess.
: --Previous Message--
: Hi Dr. Ross,
: I apologize ... I just remember you saying
: that were tech orders for crashboats being
: blue and that you were not going to second
: guess them ... after I asked you if ARB-22
: could be in a gray.
: I didn't mean to mis-quote you, sir.
: I just extrapolated that since the 63-foot
: ARBs(Aerial Rescue Boats)would have been
: included in the 42', 63' and 85' tech
: orders, that they'd be blue as well,correct?
: I mean, isn't Crashboat a slang term for the
: But, still. A lady who is a professor for
: graphics arts looked at that photo and said
: it was PaPantone cool gray 8. So, is she
: right? Are you right? Or, could it be a
: color from the RN, Dr. Ross?
: I just want to get my model right, sir?
: PS: I don't know if you'd be interested,
: sir. But, over vacation at the Cape for the
: previous two weeks, I found out what
: happened to the ex-104-foot crashboat known
: as the KATERI TEK. In the late-1970s, she
: was broken up in Woods Hole, MA.
: --Previous Message--
: What I stated some time ago was that, while
: looking through a number of Tech Orders for
: USAAF crashboats (42', 63', 85'), I
: discovered that they specified 5-S and 20-B
: for paint. I thought it was interesting
: that the USAAF had standardized on USN
: paints and that all of the manuals were
: dated mid-1945, long after the USN had
: apparently discontinued using 5-S. The
: manual for the USN 63' boats did not specify
: any colors.
: Al Ross