He does NOT use the term camo, nor did I say that he did. He simply states that the crew promptly had slung stages over the sides of the ship "so a much-needed coat of paint could be applied."
IMHO it was probably not much repainting, and certainly not in a Measure 12 (modified, or otherwise), but it is a rare example of hard evidence that one of the flushdeckers other than PEARY got some kind of painting during the campaign.
Re the big hull numbers--those were, I believe, painted out well before the war, but I cannot prove it.
I expect Tracy White or Rick E. Davis might know a lot more about all that than I do.
It is no small irony that the most photog'd of the old DesRon 29 fourpipers between Dec. 8 & the end of the Java Campaign was the one that had been most altered in appearance: PEARY.
: If I may ask sir, where did you get the info
: re ".......and POPE, which was indeed
: painted at Surabaja on ~Feb 25-26, '42 after
: returning from the wild night off
: I had, repeat, had Mr Michels book ,but dont
: recall him stating that, but it twas a long
: time ago when I read that book, so I am by
: no means saying he didn't.
: Are there any other references re that Pope
: repaint, and what did Mr Michel say, camo
: (as in 'wavy' or as another poster stated
: 'splotchy'), or just plain, which another
: poster even claims is also camo, making
: things rather confusing as to the definition
: of 'camo'.
: Anyway, thanks for taking the time to write
: all that info re Asiatic Dd's by the way.
: Very interseting / informative.
: --Previous Message--
: The subject, of value to model builders for
: good reasons, is still a difficult one
: because virtually no documentation exists to
: tell us anything specific, and photographic
: evidence is "fragmentary &
: After 75 years there have been no official
: msgs from Hart or Glassford's files (AFAIK)
: that speak to this issue. They may well
: exist, but after three quarters of a
: century, they still don't seem to have
: turned up. So, I think it's fair to draw
: some conclusions from that...
: Also, many fourpipers did not start their
: 'strip ship' evolutions until the war had
: started, and for some it went on (or, off
: & on) for several days or longer. One
: of the first things often tossed overboard
: was paint...
: We have clear Asiatic Fleet/COMSOWESPAC
: msgs on oil/fuel amounts at different ports
: in Java, for example, or the numbers of
: torpedoes that the individual tincans of
: DesRon 29 still had by, say, Feb. 25, 1942,
: or problems with smaller equipment such as
: bomb racks on the SOCs, or how many 5"
: shells HOUSTON had late in the campaign,
: or what to do about PEARY 's sunken ECM, or
: various types of radio
: transmitters/receivers (which was a
: continual problem in ABDA), and exhaustive
: complaints about the lack of good binoculars
: & optical equipment, etc., but nothing
: re painting...and certainly no wartime
: directives from the navy re specific
: The only fourpipers we have reliable &
: irrefutable evidence pertaining to
: repainting were PEARY (w/scrounged green
: US Army paint; sometimes streaked with black
: for camo effect) and POPE , which was
: indeed painted at Surabaja on ~Feb 25-26,
: '42 after returning from the wild night off
: Beyond those two instances, I only know of
: touch-up painting done to lower visibility
: at night or to cover battle damage repairs.
: I do not believe STEWART was camouflaged,
: and find the capsize photos not convincing,
: but others may--and will--believe whatever
: they want.
: However, nothing in the Kale diary (which
: is very detailed) indicates DD-224 was
: painted, nor is there any such info in the
: many reports & accounts left by Tom
: Binford, and the extensively researched John
: Klar articles for Warship International
: revealed nothing on that either. Last, the
: survivor from that ship that I knew very
: well told me they did not paint her in any
: camo measure during the campaign.
: ANOTHER 600 gives a detailed &
: precise account of the painting of PEARY ,
: as previously noted. They used swabs on the
: larger areas of the ship that were painted.
: Michel's book on POPE likewise explicitly
: states she received some painting to her
: hull at Surabaja as I mentioned.
: The photo that is alleged to be POPE at
: Surabaja should be viewed w/some
: reservation, since its source is, IIRC, one
: which shows a number of other allied vessels
: in erroneous locales. The AWM has as much
: trouble w/correct data on its ship photos as
: navsource, but these are all-too-human
: errors, and can be corrected. And many such
: errors occur in the Asiatic Fleet-related
: The only other really interesting fact
: that I came across in Dan Mullin's book is
: that the flushdeckers of DesDiv 59--because
: that is what his book covers; not all of
: the DesRon 29 tincans--had Dark Blue decks
: at the start of the war.
: Several other Asiatic fleet ships were
: indeed painted during the
: campaign--especially those used for harbor
: duties (patrols near ports), ops closer to
: shore bases, where they had greater access
: to paint, and spent less time in bluewater
: But that is another subject.