Posted by Matt H |
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Posted by gomersall
on November 5, 2009, 4:55 am, in reply to "Killer Horses"In the late 1980's there was a major wild horse problem west of Williams Lake B.C. The British Columbia government designated 4 or 5 guys to thin them and paid a bounty of $17.50 for each foretop and set of ears. When the public got wind of this the backlash was huge so they cancelled the hunt. Greg - Re: Killer Horses
Posted by Pendleton Taster
on November 5, 2009, 8:02 am, in reply to "Re: Killer Horses"Dang Greg that sounds like what they did back in the 1940s in the states with the bounty. Seems like everything has changed now and the country is closed up and no freedom. - Re: Killer Horses
Posted by Evan
on November 5, 2009, 7:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Killer Horses"And unless we shake our state and federal elected representatives and Senators up, educate the public (letters to the editors, personal conversations with the uneducated (and the so-called "educated" elite) and enlighten them, it's going to just getting worse, with every body turning into a bunch of bleeding heart do-gooder pussy willows! Write letters, make phone calls, send faxes, e-mails! Let the jackasses (and some elephants!) know the truth about what's going on out here in the hills! Chicken feed horses are tearing up the land, consuming feed that should be available for game animals or cattle, on a selective basis. But no, we've got to stop hunting sage hens, because their "ecology" is being damaged! Sure, there may be some pretty good horses out there, but generally they wouldn't be there if they were good horses. - Help me understand
Posted by Kev on November 4, 2009, 8:53 am, in reply to "Killer Horses"
I've not given much thought to this topic before, but I sense that there is a lot of support amongst the ranching industry for horse slaughter. Not trying to stir the pot, just would like to understand the issue better. Direct to my informational sites if you wouldn't mind.
Kev - Re: Help me understand
Posted by Evan
on November 5, 2009, 7:37 pm, in reply to "Help me understand"Kev, also see my response to Pendleton Taster's post.
Evan - Re: Help me understand
Posted by Nanax2
on November 4, 2009, 7:54 pm, in reply to "Help me understand"Kev,
I didn't see where anybody answered your question, so I'll give it a shot. And, anybody please feel free to jump in, or correct me if I am wrong.
When there were open slaughter plants for horses, there was an outlet for people to sell unwanted or unuseable horses. The meat is usually shipped overseas, where it is considered good eating.
The PETA people and other groups shut down all the plants, in spite of the fact that the AQHA, American Quarter Horse Assn, and the American Veterinary Association, among other large groups were opposed to the ban. The reason being, if there is not outlet for unuseable horses, where do they go? Who feeds them? And, it drives the price of ALL horses down, since there is an overpopulation.
So, like here in Nevada, people are turning unwanted horses loose, or starving them, because they cannot afford to feed them, and care for them. But you see, the PETA people think that they all go to retirement homes, and are well cared for for the rest of their lives. Yes, in a fairy tale. - Re: Help me understand
Posted by IO
on November 5, 2009, 5:33 am, in reply to "Re: Help me understand"That's it in a nut shell Nana.....
What needed to be done in this country was to apply the laws already in effect, and clean up the existing slaughter houses that did not comply.
Many were run badly and animals suffered greatly in transport and at slaughter..... but the bleeding hearts only saw a quick short term solution to having their touchy feelie delicate sensibilities soouthed....they closed the entire industry down instead of regulating the existing one.....
Not having the foresight to see the impact of their decision...... Helpless domesticated horses turned loose in the desert (and other environs) to starve to death or die from lack of water.... or to die in someones backyard from neglect for lack of money to feed them....
IO - Re: Killer Horses
Posted by Pendleton Taster
on November 3, 2009, 7:38 pm, in reply to "Killer Horses"I am pretty sure it passed in Montana or at least I heard that. I did not hear of the facility being built yet. I know they are trying to pass the law in Nebraska too and get a plant going there again. I think there should be plants all over the country. - Re: Killer Horses
Posted by LWBuckaroo on November 3, 2009, 8:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Killer Horses"
what happened to i thought it was illegal now to slaughter horses? or is that just in CA? its illegal where I'm at - Re: Killer Horses
Posted by Rae
on November 4, 2009, 10:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Killer Horses"
Personally I think horse slaughter is necessary and part of the 'market' regarding livestock.
I doubt we will ever see it happen in the states. Only 2 sales in Oregon handle 'export' horses. Woodburn and Vale, Enumclaw WA is the main sale yard for 'export' horses. They are trucked either to Canada or Mexico for slaughter, in cow trucks.
Would be better for them to be processed here, better for them and better prices for the sellers. Many sell for less than $50/head.
FWIW - Re: Killer Horses
Posted by Pendleton Taster
on November 4, 2009, 10:49 am, in reply to "Re: Killer Horses"I heard of an old mustanger north of here that ate alot of horse meat and there are stories of some German homesteaders that were here that were pretty fond of horse meat as well. Most European countries still eat alot of horse and its pretty good from what I hear. Grass fat horse why not? - Re: Killer Horses
Posted by Pendleton Taster
on November 3, 2009, 10:39 pm, in reply to "Re: Killer Horses"It is illegal, but horses are going to Mexico and Canada. I think some of these states will get around it by opening the plants on the Indian Reservations as they are exempt from many laws. - Re: Killer Horses
Posted by Rafter RK
on November 4, 2009, 4:53 am, in reply to "Re: Killer Horses"The indian reservations are considered to be soveriegn nations exempt from US federal laws therefore they could easily build killer plants. What we need to be wary of are the attempts of the AR wackos to make it illegal to transport horses for slaughter. They might have already done it. They're are ways around it I am sure but we should not have to. - Re: Killer Horses
Posted by Two Rein Jane on November 4, 2009, 6:09 am, in reply to "Re: Killer Horses"
Howabout big old time horse drives, we'd drive them through downtown, leave behind a lot of shit....grin..... - Re: Killer Horses
Posted by IO
on November 4, 2009, 8:51 am, in reply to "Re: Killer Horses"..and deep pit BBQ a couple of foals to make the huggers puke.....LOL
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Posted by Punchette on November 4, 2009, 10:07 am, in reply to "Re: Killer Horses"
Yes, the law passed here but still no slaughter house.
Some of the jokes are funny, but some are just plain sick.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for the slaughter of horses, but only the necessary slaughter. I've seen some horses go through to these places that neve should have. It's sad, but you can't save them all. - Re: Killer Horses
Posted by Evan
on November 5, 2009, 7:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Killer Horses"I've ridden some horses that looked like a million dollars, but should've been shot. With all the good horses available at rock-bottom prices, no need to waste time and effort on the bad horses, no matter how well-conformed they are; they are just plain dangerous. - Re: Killer Horses
Posted by IO
on November 4, 2009, 10:17 am, in reply to "Re: Killer Horses"Unfortunately, cooking foals or young burros in the ground is not a joke. It was a tradition for many years, and a way to cull the hred and provide meat at the same time....
Life at times is harsh, but this was necessary slaughter. Done by folks that knew how to preserve the land and the integrity of the herd.
IO - Re: Killer Horses
Posted by Punchette
on November 4, 2009, 10:55 am, in reply to "Re: Killer Horses"But of course! I wasn't referring to just the babies. Like I said, not against it, just don't personally agree with all aspects of it although I do understand it. Too much of a softie I guess! - Nothing wrong with you.
Posted by Kev on November 4, 2009, 12:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Killer Horses"
I hunt for most of my meat, but I still feel badly taking the animal's life.
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Posted by Pendleton Taster
on November 4, 2009, 1:04 pm, in reply to "Nothing wrong with you."I would hunt horses for sport if I knew I wouldn't go to jail. - Re: Nothing wrong with you.
Posted by Punchette on November 5, 2009, 11:11 am, in reply to "Re: Nothing wrong with you."
Bridger, you just kill me! Lol... - Re: Nothing wrong with you.
Posted by Pendleton Taster
on November 5, 2009, 11:26 am, in reply to "Re: Nothing wrong with you."Punchette what did I do now? - Re: Nothing wrong with you.
Posted by Louie
on November 6, 2009, 10:06 am, in reply to "Re: Nothing wrong with you."I remember eating a lot of horsemeat, especially in former communist countries in Europe in my travels while in the service. It was good, and more importantly for people from that part of the world, affordable. As of recent, friends of mine from Switzerland used to love having affordable horsemeat to eat, but now that has changed. Beef and chicken were and will always be too expensive over there. Historically, horses were one of the first animals be be hunted and consumed, thousands of years before cattle.
Some people should pick up a damn book before climibing on the bandwagon and passing ludicrous legislation. There is no good reason to eradicate horse slaughter. "The horse is more majestic and prettier than other animals so we shouldn't eat it?" What a bunch of bull.
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Posted by Pendleton Taster
on November 6, 2009, 4:14 pm, in reply to "Re: Nothing wrong with you."I have got much enjoyment out of this thread could be thats why I like coming here as its mostly like minded folks.
