Posted by eryka on 11/1/2009, 9:36 am, in reply to "oppions"
96.226.130.162

Well i did read on a certain site that they are not trying to recreate the Bulldog just make a healthier one. Their dogs look just EBs, but according to the breeder, they are a lot more healthier. No skin issues or breathing problems. Price starting at $3500.

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Posted by Brian_M on 11/1/2009, 9:58 am, in reply to "oppions"
Evolution Bulldogges

others breed for money. Bully sells. Greedy people do not care how they affect anything other than themselves, they just want theirs. Most people breeding oldes have no business breeding, then in turn sell intact pups with full registration to anyone who calls. Often people who buy these pups were under the impression that they were buying an Engish Bulldog but soon learned the difference. So here they are with an OEB wishing it was an EB... and well... you get the idea. "Sometimes things fall apart so that better things can fall together."

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Posted by linda (the other one) on 11/1/2009, 11:00 am, in reply to "oppions"
68.59.48.75

If they didn't want Oldes to look like EBs, why did they name them Olde ENGLISH Bulldogges? Why not just Olde Bulldogges or Olde Thyme Bulldogges, something like that? To a consumer looking for a healthier EB, that name connotes the breed a EB type of dog. Not an American, Pit or Bullmastiff type. DL did the right thing when he changed the breed name for his dogs. Perhaps there should be several breed name changes with tighter standards to reflect the different types of dogs now being called Oldes, thereby minimizing the confusion about what you're going to get if you buy a bully type of dog.

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Posted by CIS on 11/1/2009, 11:04 am, in reply to "oppions"
76.175.227.4

Everyone has their idea of what a perfect bulldogge is. It all comes down to preference. I used to breed Rotts before geting into this breed 9 years ago. I began with a certain bloodline. After a couple generations, I notice a more lanky, longer snout dog throuhout this bloodline. I then chose to acquire a dog from an olde breeder who bred a more cobby, bullier type. I breed my prior lineage dogs to my present, and I am pleased with the outcome. Many people don't want there dogs to be confused with pits, or englishes. So the muscle pit body with a big english head may be more common. Again this is me speaking for myself.

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Posted by Pat on 11/2/2009, 1:04 pm, in reply to "oppions"
173.21.135.233

I think if you are going to recreate the Bull-dog of old, you need to not only research all the bully breeds, but objectively look at the history of the Bull-dog. Objectively means leave your current dogs out of the equation. Think about the original purpose of the breed, imagine how the dogs would have functioned, imagine the opponent they were facing. Also keep in mind cattle were much different in those days than today. Todays Olde Bulldog was intended to be a recreation of what the dogs were originally and most are just a creation and not a recreation of anything. What dog breeds were were used to create the EB? What dogs were used to create the Staffordshire Bull Terrier? What dogs were used to create the French Bulldog? What dogs were used to create the Boston Terrier? Now what was used to create the OEB? There are so many breeds in the OEB, that unless you created your own line from foundation dogs you have no idea what truly is in your dogs. I do think the answer to the true Bull baiting dog is somewhere between the Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the EB. So is using an EB or Staffie in your program I think could be advantageous.

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