Posted by Vlad
on August 24, 2009, 9:42 am, in reply to "Re: Silent survival arms part two"
Whether heat sensitive infra red viewers (FLIR) would be able to spot their brief pulse of hot gasses exiting is not known by me. That would have to be tested before using such weapons against FLIR equipped opponents.
However a FLIR equipped opponent would easily see your body heat, so this may be a moot point. If many persons were about, and only some using silent weapons, FLIR might not be all that much of an advantage. Again that cannot be guessed at. Test if before you expose yourself, or learn from someone who has tested it.
One needs to be Flir literate before engaging such opponents; otherwise survival would be quite short.
This Finland site is recommended for those wanting to become silencer literate. The url is
The following site discusses the 22 silencer in enough detail that a novice could build one in circumstances where that became necessary. theforum.virtualave.net/u...00044.html
In my opinion, one equipped with a very silent weapon would be at great advantage over others with noisy weapons, if he also carried out his strategy to take advantage of the stealth such weapons make possible.
Considering the ease of carrying large quantities of 22LR ammo, plus the range of 75 yards with about 2 inch practical grouping for commonly available scoped rifles, and the light weight and short length (about 30 inches overall) of such silent weapons, that would be my choice for urban type-three self defense operations. A folding stock could cut a foot off that for carrying length. Add a cheap, fixed laser to it which lights just before the trigger is pulled and it remains a useful weapons in near darkness when the eyes can just make-out outlines, but optical scopes and iron sights won't work. Of course such weapon with infrared (>900 NM wavelength) laser would be useful with cheap night vision goggles, and not visible to the unaided eye. The cheap $10 laser pointers will work if glued onto the silencer tube of a 22 caliber weapon, and probably would be stable on the slightly greater recoil of the .45 auto cartridge in a rifle. Bondo glues them on well. They must be positioned to point of bullet impact at about 50 yards. Mount them close to the bore as possible so at close ranges the bullet will be within less than a vertical inch from the spot. Then hold over or under to get 1/2 inch or less accuracy.
Of course an expensive night vision sight would be far superior to avoid incoming. Most such NV sights are not useful in daylight and an optical sight would be needed on the gun also. NV sights are also quite large. Not all can be removed and returned without having to re-sight them in.
So, one really needs to consider what type of survival he intends to prepare for, then choose a weapon that will do that job and is within his budget.
It appears rather plainly though, that a man who has no firearm at all will not likely survive any of the survival types for very long.
That's probably why we-the-people forbid governments ever, under any circumstances, interfering with our right to keep and bear the most modern technology in arms.
That we have permitted the US government and some renegade state governments to gradually do so, is to our own shame. It has resulted in most persons now being in rather poorly prepared for survival situations of type 3, which occur regularly worldwide, but only have occured about once a century in USA.
It appears a type 3 survival situation in USA is to be expected before long, from situations now boiling over.
In Finland, which twice suffered type 3 survival conditions, silencers are completely unregulated, and required. Nothing like nightmares of hindsight to cause politicians to leave the people alone.
In the USA, if Chinese troops accompanying Mexican troops which have been reported by border patrol officers to be firing on them, is true...
and a German bomber base to bomb future resisting Americans now exists in New Mexico, is true...
and Chinese ports in California and elsewhere on our seacoasts are true...
and their reported actions of smuggling fully automatic weapons to urban street gangs is true...
and the obvious sham gun confiscation laws "to protect children" and "to remove guns from criminals", continue...
soon even the village idiot will catch on, that a noose is being slowly slipped around his neck, to be yanked tight when the time is right.
The information herein might even assist that village idiot to survive when he wakes up to reality.
Silencers are of course illegal in USA. Guns will soon be it appears. Due to the international nature of the net however, both are fully legal in much of the world.
It is said that in the world of the blind, a one eye man is king.
I will add, that in a fully disarmed populace, a man with an autoloader with 60 round clip is also king.
And a single street urchin with a silent weapon can depose him.
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