Posted by Pops on December 26, 2009, 2:16 pm, in reply to "Re: the CAS-type with the boar"
you wrote
"The boar in the second clip is very small and I would not trust that dog to hold an adult boar without getting it's but kicked .Those dogs are good for running stuff down but not great at killing or holding larger game.That's why they have all the other dogs and the CAS holding the bigger boar."
i pointed out you made a value judgement on the dog based on a single clip in which (point of fact) the sighthound caught & held a hog 2X it's weight in an entirely adequate fashion (something i have actually seen larger bulldogs fail to do). i also pointed out that heavy holders are not necessary, that sighthounds do in fact catch & hold large dangerous game. additionally i pointed you in the direction of guys w/ far more experience than i hunting longdogs.
if you look at the second video you'll note there are at least 4 members to the hunting party NOT counting the cameraman. in the southeastern USA when bear hunting that could mean as many as 50 dogs on the ground because everyone brings their dogs and 10-20 of the dogs capable of putting a bear up alone. hog hunting would mean a few less dogs but still more than on the video. this is because the doggers here like to listen to the dogs run more than catch & the injury that may involve. so once again the number of dogs is directly related to the number of people hunting NOT the ability of the dogs.
"I never said they couldn't get the job done" yes, you did, note the bold in the above quote.
"have you ever caught in the thick bush where you have to crawl in" yes, on both bear & boar. and i've seen bulldogs crushed to death in there as well. basically they all do sooner or later (except maybe the little dogs like jagds, pats & jrts some of them seem to come out slick & clean no matter how many they catch in the thick stuff).
"No one dog is best for every situation" smartest thing you've written so far and the reason i looked into sighthounds in the first place.
"More and more I'm seeing people from other countries with a twisted view of stuff that goes on in the USA" i see this more about trapping & catchdogs from europeans that anyone else.
"Almost everyone I know here (in USA) catches hogs to kill them" same here but i also know quite a few texans that live catch for resale to certain slaughterhouses for the french boar meat trade. i also know a few guys catching ferals to sell to pay to hunt operation so nimrods can shoot them over feeders.
"do damage and most farmers want them gone !!! dead" i know plenty of guys doing the above w/ the hogs they are taking for farmers basically getting paid on both ends. of the ones doing just eradication i find the overwhelming majority use dogs in two ways 1. one or two baydogs and a rifle to shoot a bunch 2. turning out stags & stagXbulls on spotlighted hogs in crops, hayfields & pastures using one or two dogs per hog. i only know one guy doing eradication long term that uses the traditional baydog & catchdog combination BUT he also traps & shoots over just his baydog.
"What LARGE game have you seen a sight hound kill ?" the largest i have personally witnessed is hogs around 250# (caught & held) & a whitetail buck that dressed 175-180# (actually killed by the dog before i could get there).
"I've seen several sight hounds on a single coyote and it must have taken them up to 15 mins to kill it." were these supposed to be coyote hounds or jackrabbit dogs that stumbled on one? i have friends in ID, NM, OK & IL that are wolfers and all have dogs that catch & kill coyotes solo. not all their dogs will, but the ones they breed from do. the fellas in ID & IL drop multiple dogs on a single coyote because they find they often (20-30% of the time) will bump another coyote or two in the course of running the first one/ my friend in ID has had 4 dogs on 3 seperate coyotes at one time w/ 2 caught & killed. so those were either not coyote dogs or were less than steller.
"But I stand by my opinion that I would not go into the thick brush with a rank boar with a sight hound on it !!!! I'll take a little 50lb pit bull that I now is not going to come off that boar no matter what." I OTH will back up any dog that has the guts to do the job regardless of breed. i have seen bulldogs pried dead off an ear & hanging on w/ their guts twisted aroung their legs. BUT i have also seen bulldogs turned into baydogs.
I also noticed you use the word kill alot. that says an awful lot about your experiences & nthe people who brought you into hunting w/ dogs. IME most hoghunters (myself included) do not expect, nor desire the dogs to kill the hog (or other game for that matter). Merry Cristmas to you.
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