Molosser Talk The Original: Look towards standards & original working job

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Look towards standards & original working job

Posted by Jeannine De Palma on July 30, 2009, 10:16 am, in reply to "Which breed has the best chance to be naturally protective of family"

Territory and or flock guardians have in standard required distrust or aggression to strangers - hense naturally protective.
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The most aggression required to strangers is the Fila and CO Standard.
Note we all know the Fila should be top on list based on us seeing the breed. However the standards depending on which one u read actrually call for the opposite from aggressive.
I insisting on non aggressive

Caucasian Ovcharka has the word Fierce in one standard and aggressive in others and other words- I doubt are perfectly translated .
But put the dog in the Natrually protective list on TOp.

After that you look towards-
Dogs bred to guard TODAY that have not changed yet( changed guards are Rottie- Dobes-great pry etc)Bred down to soften temps and standards have changed. You can still find good working lines if you look hard enough , But they are trained to guard so be prepared to pay boo koo bucks for one of them.

So I would list after Fila and CO.
FilaSAo, Sar, CAS- BRT.

CAS has active defense drive, distrust of strangers, must be amendable to handling.
They are territory guardians that guard land sheep or people. Anything in their area,
They are were the guardians of the nomads - no training needed.

Other flock guards have aloof in standards.

And truth is every time anyone brings this up.
We are then lumped in with trained PP breeds.
Some how we need to go to clubs for training.
Which defeats the purpose of naturally protective dogs. Plus who is guarding the sheep or home while your "one dog is off doing trials"

We teach our dogs NOT to bite since it is natural for them to do so at a young age.
We teach our much bigger dogs than PP breeds to DROP what ever they have in their mouth. NOt to TUG or play games. NO games when you may want your huge LGD dog to drop a skunk in the dogs mouth or a bat that could have rabies.

However testing for protection should be done to insure the dogs match up and you dont breed a
high ADR dog to a HIGH and get dogs most can own.

I have protection tested every breeding dog
1-10 x for protection of me. BITE WORK.
Do I spend time posting pics and videos of the dog growling snarling at the camera. So my neighbors can find it and say SHIT look what I have next door? The few x I did put it up on my front page buyers complained they know what they have. And they dont need it on my front page when a neighbor googles he breed.

End result for breeding for the in standard temperment is naturally protective dogs who passed the real test taking out the bad guys , driving off predators naturaly engagement.

So look for breeders who breed for the protection end of the standard vs going the opposite.
I prefer working them as as a pack of guards on a sheep horse farm. Plus I test them for every test in my area be it
FCI tan- CGC- or ATTS. All of them TEST dogs reactions to things not normally found in alife of a working lGD.

Note the Pres of he Sch club I used for 8 years died and my 3rd generation has not been tested.
We are bringing out his helper Marcus when the weather cools to test the newbies.