Re: parentage of imperial princess Miyeko Arisugawa?
Posted by Hamish on 18/1/2008, 13:12:23, in reply to "Re: parentage of imperial princess Miyeko Arisugawa?"
I don't think that Nobuhito Shinno can be included among the heads of the Arisugawa no Miyake and I have never seen any Japanese sources which do so.
In other Miyake it sometimes occurred that a successor was appointed a number of years after the death of a prince who had no heirs but in the case of Arisugawa/Takamatsu the Takehito was still alive when Nobuhito was appointed. However it is quite clear that Emperor Taisho intended Nobuhito to carry on the Shinto rites associated with the Arisugawa family according to a letter he wrote to Takehito Shinno shortly before the latter's death. Thus if not legally then spiritually Nobuhito could be said to be the heir of the Arisugawa no Miyake and this was confirmed by his marriage to Tokugawa Kikuko, Takehito's granddaughter.
You are quite right about the early generations of the Miyake. The Miyake was founded in 1625 by Yoshihito Shinnō (1603-1638), 7th son of Emperor Go-Yōzei as the House of Takamatsu no Miya (Yoshihito Shinnō's residence was called the the Takamatsu-dono). Yoshihito Shinnō died without male issue but in 1647 his nephew Nagahito Shinnō, 9th son of Emperor Go-Mizunoo was appointed successor. Nagahito Shinnō, who married his predecessor's daughter, succeeded to the throne in 1654 as Emperor Go-Sai. The title was revived when his 2nd son Yukihito Shinnō followed him in 1667 as 3rd Takamatsu no Miya. In 1672 the Retired Emperor Go-Mizunoo changed the name of the House to Arisugawa no Miya (the reason for this choice is unknown). Yukihito Shinnō's son Tadahito Shinnō died childless in 1716 when the title passed to Yorihito Shinnō, 16th son of Emperor Reigen whose line continued until 1913.
: Hello Hamish,
: Nice to see that you are posting here.
: Though one suspects that now you have done
: so, the number of questions may make you
: change your mind!
: I have been thinking about the
: Arisugawa/Takamatsu title. Should one
: consider Prince Nobuhito as the 11th Prince
: Takamatsu? I gather that it is considered
: correct to regard the 1st of the line as
: Prince Yoshihito, son of Emperor Yozei (II)
: and Prince Yukihito, son of Emperor Sai (II)
: as the 3rd title holder. Are these
: assumptions correct according to Japanese
: --Previous Message--
: Mieko was the daughter of Arisugawa no Miya
: Takehito and his wife Yasuko Maeda.
: Takehito was the younger half-brother of
: Arisugawa no Miya Taruhito Shinno (NB not
: Tomohito Ethere was no prince of that name
: in the House of Arisugawa). Both were sons
: of Arisugawa no Miya Takahito Shinno
: (1812-1886). Taruhito was the eldest (by
: Yuko Saeki, d 1841), Takehito was the 4th
: and youngest (by Noriko Mori, d 1902).
: Adoption by members of the Imperial Family
: was forbidden by the Imperrial House Law of
: 1889 so when Takehito died in 1913, having
: outlived his only son Tanehito O
: (1887-1908), the Arisugawa no Miyake
: officially became extinct. However in July
: 1913 Emperor Taisho gave his 3rd son
: Nobuhito the title Takamatsu no Miya,
: Takamatsu being the original name of the
: Arisugawa no Miyake. Nobuhito in due course
: married Miekos daughter Kikuko.
: NB The spellings MiyekoEand MayedaE
: following a transliteration system no longer
: is use. The current forms are Mieko and
: Maeda. Also, one of the previous postings
: mentions Princess Isako Miyeko Arisugawa
: Fumi-no-MiyaE Isako was actually Miekos
: elder sister (born 17 Oct 1885; died 30 Sept
: 1886). I have found no Arisugawa princess
: (or prince) with the title Fumi no Miya
: although Nobuko Naishinno (1891-1933) did
: have this title.
: --Previous Message--
: Princess Isako Miyeko Arisugawa Fumi-no-Miya
: was the daughter of prince Takehito and
: Yasuko Mayeda. Her daughter princess Kikuko
: married prince Takamatsu, brother of
: empereur Hiro-Hito.
: --Previous Message--
: Miyeko Arisugawa (1891-1933) married prince
: Yoshihisa Tokugawa.
: genealogy edited by Jeffrey Taliaferro
: gives Miyeko's parentage as imperial prince
: Takehito Arisugawa (1862-1913) and Yasuko
: Maeda (1864-1923)
: genealogy edited by Henry Soszynski
: gives Miyeko's parentage as prince Tomohito
: Arisugawa (1854-1895) and Tadako Mizoguchi
: It looks like Tomohito Arisugawa and
: Takehito Arisugawa were half-brothers. The
: latter survived his brothers, and became
: Head of the shinnoke house of Arisugawa, an
: imperial prince.
: These two genealogies contradict each other;
: the conflict exists because no one can have
: two pairs of biological parents. I am
: interested in getting to know who were
: Miyeko Arisugawa's biological parents.
: In Japan, siblings and nephews relatively
: often got adopted by brothers and uncles
: (within-family adoption). For example, to
: organize the line of succession.
: It may very well be that one of these two
: parentages in fact were an adopted parentage
: of Miyeko. The problem is that on basis of
: these two conflicting sources, it is not
: obvious nor known, who of them were the
: biological parents.
: Does anyone know who were biological parents
: of Miyeko Arisugawa?
: And, what is reliable source of that?