You need to study best sources of history books objective and competent to see that the Germans had no choice to force the French negociators in armistice talks to get the Africa fleet back in Toulon that what they refused absolutely ! With the risk to see the ships joining the Alies , Germans accepted the ships remaining in Africa with exisgeance , insistant demand they will not go to British hands and French had all interests to respect the neutral position to get in change the free French zone for half surface of south country not occuped by Germans in armistice accordances. The French ships were a "market" that Frenchs had all interests to respect to sweet fate of French people in metropole. It was not to would give the ships to Brits because Churchill decided it !
The French situation in June 40 was certainly more difficult to treat with enemy else that to fight a lost combat already and spend the blood for nothing to please to mister Churchill well protected ,him, by his insular position ...
That what some British point of wiew will never understand is there is not betray to defend his own people in an armistice with vainquors Germans for the moment at the time without need to ask authorisation to Britishs which them are neither occupied nor in position to help the French people ...
Again , Churchill was perfectly informed of the armistice articles and conditions and if he decided to ignore them it's not fault of the French but a criminal act of Churchill . And to convince Americans to enter in war or not an armistice is a temporary stop of hostility not a "declaration of war" against UK ! The 1300 French victims plus 500 wounded without strategic profit is the crime of Churchill not the French one .
: Sadly as the French could not be trusted at
: this point in the war (they had just made a
: separate armistice with the Germans and
: betrayed the British)and there was good
: reason to conclude that the pro-German Vichy
: regime would use the ships against the
: British. They were told what the would
: happen if they did not surrender and chose
: to ignore the warning. This was a clear
: indication that they would use the ships
: against the British. So, with a heavy heart,
: they were attacked. The losses were the
: fault of the French.
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: The battleships RESOLUTION and VAILANT were
: part of British attack at Mers El Kébir
: (Oran harbor) on July,3,1940 with the
: battlecruiser HOOD like main ships. With the
: aicrafts carrier ARK ROYAL and a force of
: destroyers they attacked again 3 days later
: on July,6,40.
: Named operation Catapult this Churchill
: action was absolutely not necessary making
: 1300 French sailors dead for nothing as
: except the old obsolete battleship BRETAGNE
: with 900 deads aboard. All ships were
: finally sent back to Toulon to be indemn or
: repaired (And closer under possible German
: hands exactly inverse to the Churchill goal
: with severe anti-Brit filling in public
: opinion and delaying heavily the wished
: French ships back in combat in the war like
: many French and Alies asked).
: Vichy gov or not the Churchill ultimatum in
: Oran to surrender a French fleet not in war
: with UK (Under armistice with Germans by
: the way unable to take over French ships at
: not any time in Africa and lacking crews to
: handle them anyway) French ships were object
: of maintain under French flag to defend
: colonies and a negoce for French and German
: to demobilize and no more suffering to
: France occupation by Germans in the
: armistice attemps .
: Churchill was informed of all these
: conditions by Vichy gov and couldn't ignore
: them .
: Catapult was a total British fiasco, the
: French ships scuttling confirmed the crews
: would never leave their ships to anyone and
: if Churchill wouldn've done Mers El Kébir
: stupid attack , may be a chance existed to
: dont' scuttle in 42 'Like German violated
: armistice themselves takink pretext of Alies
: Africa landing "To defend France
: southern ..." Thus, French amirals in
: Toulon instead to be furiously anti-Brit
: would've been free to desobei at Vichy and
: to take the sea to join Alies like rest of
: the fleet over seas done it in 43 ...
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: The model on the left is Provence, but as
: was practically identical to Bretagne, these
: are perfectly good answers.
: In Oscar Parkes' "British
: Battleships", which gives a short
: history for each ship, there is only one
: sentence in the bio for Hood saying she was
: in action against French ships at Oran. No
: mention in the bios for Valiant and
: Resolution that they were also there.
: Perhaps retrospective embarrassment at the
: British action?
: (Accidentally put this message in response
: to the Dreadnought post - this is where it
: --Previous Message--
: Identify these ships (and models) and the
: historical connection between them:
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