Named operation Catapult this Churchill action was absolutely not necessary making 1300 French sailors dead for nothing as except the old obsolete battleship BRETAGNE with 900 deads aboard. All ships were finally sent back to Toulon to be indemn or repaired (And closer under possible German hands exactly inverse to the Churchill goal with severe anti-Brit filling in public opinion and delaying heavily the wished French ships back in combat in the war like many French and Alies asked).
Vichy gov or not the Churchill ultimatum in Oran to surrender a French fleet not in war with UK (Under armistice with Germans by the way unable to take over French ships at not any time in Africa and lacking crews to handle them anyway) French ships were object of maintain under French flag to defend colonies and a negoce for French and German to demobilize and no more suffering to France occupation by Germans in the armistice attemps .
Churchill was informed of all these conditions by Vichy gov and couldn't ignore them .
Catapult was a total British fiasco, the French ships scuttling confirmed the crews would never leave their ships to anyone and if Churchill wouldn've done Mers El Kébir stupid attack , may be a chance existed to dont' scuttle in 42 'Like German violated armistice themselves takink pretext of Alies Africa landing "To defend France southern ..." Thus, French amirals in Toulon instead to be furiously anti-Brit would've been free to desobei at Vichy and to take the sea to join Alies like rest of the fleet over seas done it in 43 ...
: The model on the left is Provence, but as she
: was practically identical to Bretagne, these
: are perfectly good answers.
: In Oscar Parkes' "British
: Battleships", which gives a short
: history for each ship, there is only one
: sentence in the bio for Hood saying she was
: in action against French ships at Oran. No
: mention in the bios for Valiant and
: Resolution that they were also there.
: Perhaps retrospective embarrassment at the
: British action?
: (Accidentally put this message in response
: to the Dreadnought post - this is where it
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: Identify these ships (and models) and the
: historical connection between them:
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